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Ryan Faulk distorts Segregation/Jim Crow.

2020.09.19 11:54 pog99 Ryan Faulk distorts Segregation/Jim Crow.

See the original article and the garbage it inspired.
If you were to find the about page of his blog, you would know that he defends the blog from promoting white supremacy by simply reporting the facts. A strict reading could put together that it doesn't mean that one couldn't defend or rationalize past systems of white supremacy. I've recently revisited and clarified the issues of his Slave trade article, and soon I plan on talking about multiple issues with his slavery article as well, so today I will do the same with this one.
The running theme of the piece is that disparities during Jim Crow either couldn't be explained specifically by segregation, or that disparities came larger after the 1960s thus segregation as a factor is ruled out. The problems are that -
  1. For each aspect that he measures, he doesn't tie it to a specific expert claim on how Segregation played a role in the disparity.
  2. He doesn't account for post-1960s factors that causes the persisting or larger disparity, and assumes post-1960s is a systematically neutral control.
  3. For certain disparities he compares, they are inappropriate and are not indicative of what he purports.
And for the record, no, he doesn't actually talk about voting or juror restriction by race.
The article-
We first get a rationalization of his analysis.
When I was younger, I would read world atlases. And sometimes I would come to an article, say an article on the country Colombia, and it would say that Colombia is a world leader in coffee production, then list off some other “cash crops”. Then it would go into the growing textiles sector, and mention that it has some problem with debt. Maybe it’s a leading producer of phosphates as well or something. And if you read all of this qualitative, subjective description, you would never realize that Colombia was poor. It’s not until you got to “per capita GDP” that you would discover that it was $3,000 per capita.
You could also have someone qualitatively describe a football game between Auburn and Alabama. And they could do highlights, and describe some of the big plays, and you wouldn’t know that Alabama completely steamrolled Auburn until you looked at the box score.
Or imagine if your son was “describing” qualitatively and subjectively how he was doing in his classes. As a parent you don’t care, you want to see the damn grades.
And so the effects of segregation on blacks. What does the data say? Because in school when segregation is taught, it’s the equivalent of describing a football game by just looking at the highlights and not the box score. It’s cat-lady storytime.
Well, there are a few big go-to topics that popped into my mind to try to quantify the effects of segregation on blacks: cops and courts, schools, income and lynching. So that’s what I go-to’d.

1. Incarceration rate
The incarceration rate for blacks relative to whites has increased at least since 1930, probably long before that. So in terms of blacks being targeted for being sent to prison, it looks like they were substantially less targeted compared to today.
So if the legal systems were unfair during segregation, they appear to be even more unfair today. Or perhaps they weren’t unfair during segregation, are unfair today, or perhaps the laws are different today in a way that disparately impacts blacks more than they did in the past.
There are all sorts of things we can speculate, but it’s not immediately or obviously apparent, from the data, that the legal system was particularly keen on incarcerating blacks compared to today.
So for those of you more keen on race and mass incarceration, you would know that this is particularly strong in Northern Urban regions rather than the South. A whole demographic transition occurred that accounted for it.
Not to mention he never actually looked for studies that purport to address biases during Jim Crow. What does he find through is roundabout ways?
2. Prison sentences
For prison sentences, the numbers have been remarkably stable. When you look at length of prison terms for blacks compared to whites after the FIRST release from prison, it’s very close.
The first release data is important because none of these are repeat offenders. Repeat offenders get more time, and blacks are more likely to be repeat offenders.
That said, based on the data below, blacks serve roughly ~15% longer prison terms for their first term. It could be because the crimes blacks commit within each category are, on average, more severe. It could be racial bias on the part of judges.
Or it could be that blacks have worse courtroom behavior, as when IQ is controlled for, the racial gap in prison sentences goes away.
But what you don’t see is blacks having longer prison sentences during segregation.
Black Multiple of White Median Time Served For ALL Releases in State and Federal Prisons
Now what if we looked at median prison time served just in the South, and back in 1937 – smack in the middle of “Jim Crow” – and included repeat offenders, of which black inmates are a higher proportion today? The result is not that much different from the entire US today:
Black Multiple of White Median Time Served For ALL Releases in 14 Southern States in State and Federal Prisons
Remember, the 1937 data is JUST from the South, supposedly the hot seat of bigotry, and includes repeat offenders.
Homicide data is an unweighted average of each category. In 1937 and 1952 they used Murder and Manslaughter, in 1964 they just had Homicide, and in 2009 they had Murder, Negligent Manslaughter and Non-Negligent Manslaughter.
In case you think I am cherry-picking the years to paint a particular narrative, these are literally just the years used in the Bureau of Justice report I am citing.
And so what we can see is that the black-white incarceration gap is wider today than it was in 1930. In addition, the racial gap in sentence length for first offenders does not appear to have changed at all. Even the data that INCLUDED repeat offenders just in the South in 1937 doesn’t differ that much from the first-time offender data nationally and later.
And so this makes the idea that the current US legal system was more biased against blacks during segregation than it is today SEEM false.
So this is a good example of a data point that doesn't correspond to a specific Civil Rights claim for Jim Crow relative to the post-1960s. Mass incarceration is usually shown as being a post 1960s phenomenon of bias as a particular, in connection to Blacks increasing presence in the North. His source supports it. On page 88.
The median time served for the total was 17 days. For blacks the median was 2 days longer, 19 days. Interestingly, there were larger differences between whites and blacks in time served in the North than in the South. The median time served in the North for whites was 18 days and for blacks a full week longer, 25 days. In the South the median was 17 days for blacks and 16 days for whites. Looking at time served by offense, these differences continue.
Typical civil rights claims are in regard the lack of Black Jurors deals with not simply length of prison time but biases towards choosing conviction by a white jury relative to a comparable white defendant, which this doesn't study.
Therefore, the proper way how to study this would be conviction rates in the same region overtime, such as the South, and compared between different types of juries and defendants. I lack data on this, but one form of bias I have found was application of the death Penalty for rape in the South from the 1930s to the 1960s was harsher not just for Black Criminals, but for Black criminals accused ofraping whites. In further detail, 13% of Black rapists in 11 southern states received the death penalty compared to 2% of whites.
Decreases in overall non-white (likely black) executions, by his source, decreased sharply after the 1960s. Overtime, rates of executions decreased even though crime increased into this period. Mind you, there were death penalty changes around this time.
This source, btw, contains a variety of measurements by race during Jim Crow into the present that could suggest bias outside of merely prison sentences.

3. Lynching
A related topic to this is lynching. From Richard M. Perloff, Professor of Communication at Cleveland State University:
“Approximately 4,742 individuals were lynched between 1882 and 1968; of the victims, 3,445 or 73 percent were Black.”
All lynchings were in response to a claimed offense, such as a rape or stealing cattle. Blacks were 72.65% of all recorded lynchings while being ~26.87% of the population of the South at the time.
The Black population of the Southern US 1880-1970 averages 26.87% at each decade. And so based on their population alone, if lynchings were race-neutral, and we knew nothing about race differences in violent crime going in, we would expect 26.87% of all lynchings to be of blacks. Blacks comprised 72.65% of all lynchings, giving them a representation 2.70 times their population.
However, according to wikipedia, most lynchings occurred between 1882 and 1920, and during that time period the average black population was 31.76% of the southern US population. Using this number, blacks as a percentage of lynchings are only 2.29 times their percentage of the population.
If we split the difference and just say that the black population of the south was 29.32% of the total population, then blacks as a percentage of lynchings was 2.48 times their percentage of the population.
By comparison, in 2010, blacks comprised 12.6% of the total US population, but were 38.13% of the population charged for violent crimes, giving them a representation 3.03 times their population.
And so by raw numbers the lynch mobs appear to be slightly less racially targeting than the current US legal system is. Here are those numbers put in a table:
So when I first read this I thought he was comparing lynchings to police shootings. The second time shows me how asinine he is. This is a good example of an inappropriate comparison.
Being charged with a crime isn't the same as a lynching, lynchings are categorized by the source he originally used for sentencing as an execution, one of the trends that decreased in rates for blacks and as established was higher in the South in ways suggestive of bias.
From his source-
Almost three-fourths (73 percent) of those lynched between 1890 and 1962 (the date of the last recorded lynching) were black, and in the same period, 54 percent of those executed were nonwhite. About 90 percent of those dying under State authority were executed for homicide. Only 41 percent of illegal lynchings were for homicide (Tables 2-1 and 2-2).
This is more or less consistent with my studies showing that, in the South, rape (the next largest portion of lynching offenses After Homicide) was disproportionately applied to black men with death.
Lynchings, as well decreased in accordance with campaigning against it as established in my Dwight Murphey post. This would be an example of civil rights interacting with oppression.

4. Income
This is where arguments regarding the negative effects of segregation start to have some backing in data. Looking at census data from 1948, we can see that black income as a proportion of white income went from around 44% in 1948 to about 80% in 2000. This looks like a massive effect from desegregation on it’s face:
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However, there is some interesting data from 1880. If you just look within regions, the racial gap is much less. At that time, black workers earned on median 37% of what white workers earned. However, if you just looked at the south, blacks earned 58% of what white workers earned. So just with that regional control we’re already almost half way to the current black-white income ratio.
Population and wage income by race and region in 1880
But the paper did something else – it looked at black labor income relative to whites, but just looked a rural southern whites and blacks, and only looked at labor income. And in that instance, black income was 89% of white income:
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And so when you look at the same region, and the same kind of work, and just compare the wages of workers, the black-white income gap in the rural South was only 11%, lower than it is today. And that difference could very plausibly be due to blacks having fewer skills on average in 1880.
I would be interested to see similar thin slices just looking at urban blacks in the south vs. urban whites in the south, and urban blacks in the north to urban whites in the north. I suspect that the more you held constant region and urban/rural divide, the smaller the racial gap would be.
Which is to say, that it seems like much of the black-white income gap could have been a function of blacks living in rural areas (which were poorer back then) and living in the south (which was poorer back then).
In addition, we can see that the narrowing of the black-white income gap roughly corresponds with blacks moving out of the south. This is not a 1:1 correlation, but it is does suggest that simply moving out of the south), which began in earnest around 1910, is part of the explanation for the narrowing of the black-white income gap:
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And in the north, where more of the blacks were slaves who had earned their freedom before 1865, black wages as a proportion of white wages were higher. In fact blacks in the north were wealthier than whites in the south for quite some time.
Moreover, the narrowing of the black-white income gap at the national level occurred almost entirely during segregation. So to say that the smaller amount of narrowing that occurred following desegregation was in fact a result of desegregation is something that sounds kinda plausible – there’s certainly a little story you can tell – but there’s very little data for it. The most you could say is that there was a brief acceleration of the narrowing of the black-white income gap immediately after 1965, but that could be a coincidence, and even if you want to say it was a result of the civil rights act, then the acceleration versus a continuation of the previous trend is still only going to be like 2%.
Now as for why the black-white income gap narrowed from 1948 (at least) to 2000, that’s another topic. I suspect much of it has to do with the economic rise of the south and the migration of blacks away from the rural economy. Also this higher income may not have corresponded with a rise in living standards relative to whites since the cost of living may have increased, but that’s more speculative. But desegregation doesn’t appear to have any relevance to it.
So even the narrowing of the black-white income gap, long touted as prime evidence that segregation was previously suppressing black wages, the evidence is not so clear on that.
So, he decreased the gap however in a way that was not applied to the modern gap, therefore makes his comparison null.
He spends most of this section explaining factors pertaining to geography and the like explaining the gap, even though it's existence is tied to both slavery and the economic and educational limitations of the South for Blacks. This can be seen in the lack of second generation benefits of white migrants relative to black migrants, those born in the North being positively selected for those returning to the South, and the steeper reduction in poverty among southern Blacks due to migrants that returned to the South.
Likewise, despite his claims that Northern Blacks being richer than Southern Whites, he doesn't produce a chart or study showing that.
5. Wealth and Employment
Two more things to consider is that up until the 1950’s blacks had employment rates similar to that of whites. And the unemployment rate in blacks grew much more after 1965:
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And in terms of wealth, black wealth as a proportion of white wealth has remained stagnant since 1963:
Moreover, I would say that the absolute disparity is more important than the black-white ratio. Because lets say you have $10 and Bob has $100. That’s a $90 gap. Depending on your job, that’s a day’s wage, or half a day’s wage. Now if you have $100 and Bob has $900, now you’re looking at multiple days’ wage. And so on and so on. So even though the relation is the same, the practical importance of the gap is growing. Also just the total dollar amount difference is increasing. And these are all in “2013 dollars”, which adjusts for inflation.
And so when people say that the relative economic situation of blacks has improved relative to whites since segregation, they’re looking at one thing: nominal income at the national level. They’re not looking at employment, at wealth, or how much, if at all, the income gap has narrowed when controlling for what region of the country we’re looking at, or if it’s urban or rural.
While this is worth pointing out, it fails to account for complex factors of the great migration. While gains were present, unemployment increased due to urban living and relatively higher demands in skill compared to the South. This can be seen by actually referencing the study he pulls the chart from, where changes in unemployment occur earlier and become starker outside of the South.
What is also interesting his how an earlier study done by one of the researchers of the 1999 study he cites notes how human capital can't explain as much of the gap in the North as it can in the South.
6. Schools
Another argument that segregation depressed black economic success is their lower school funding. On average, from 1890 to 1950, the average of how much each state spent on black schools as a proportion of what they spent on white schools was 56.96%. So they had less funding.
But funding for what? For “better teachers”? What’s a “better teacher”? What has been found in the US is that increased real spending on schools has not increased overall performance since the 1970s, and more importantly voucher studies have shown that the school an individual goes to has no real impact on either GPA, standardized test scores or future college attendance.
So the fact that additional funding didn’t matter in 1970 is one thing. But did it matter from 1870 to 1954?
Well, we don’t have regular standardized tests from that time period, but we do have a nationally representative IQ test done in 1917 for all US army conscripts for World War 1. In it blacks scored a median of 83 compared to the white score that was set to 100. Today the black median is still at 85. Okay, two points. And my guess is they were hollow for “g” anyway.
Certainly there were journalists at the time who did “investigative journalism” and wrote anecdotal reports of how bad the black schools were. Michael Moore does “investigative journalism” today too about how great the Cuban healthcare system is. Walter Duranty visited the USSR in the 1930s and came back writing glowing reviews of the benevolent, if firm, policies of Stalin.
Maybe they were telling the truth, maybe they were making things up, who knows.
Black schools were probably worse But the question is how much worse really? And for most people, did it even matter? Most of what people learn in school they forget anyway, so aside from literacy and basic math, the practical importance of school would be minimal for most people at that time.
And the culture of school credentials as a signal to employers hadn’t developed yet, so at the time any “educational disadvantages” blacks had, whatever they were and if any, would not matter in terms of credential-signaling because that hadn’t developed yet, and in terms of knowledge beyond basic literacy and math – that all gets forgotten anyway.
So....lets review.
  1. He could've mentioned the Coleman Report but didn't. This is a pretty major study in this particular field of social science, so for Faulk to miss something crucial to grounding his point only demonstrates his lack of familiarity with the material.
  2. I'm going to to assume, since the link is dead, that the studies referenced in that link doesn't account for how money is spent.
  3. His study cites work from a cosumer behavior course, not actual studies on schools.
  4. A recent study shows that for Jim Crow, school quality accounts for the majority of the wage gap for the era.
  5. Actual tracking of changes in school quality supports the conclusion.
  6. Previous data given regarding the Great Migration would indicate that education and a market to use it made generational different for blacks, even considering selection.
7. Countrymen?
This section is a bit of a digression. In a broader sense, blacks weren’t seen as legitimate countrymen to some extent for some time in the region. And so since the blacks were viewed as “foreigners” to southern whites, who to some extent viewed northern whites as foreigners as well, they didn’t think they owed the blacks equal school funding any more than they owed people from Peru or Romania or China equal school funding.
I.e. the black-white gap in school funding meant as much to them as the american-chinese gap in school funding, as both the Chinese and the blacks were foreign to the southern whites.
Now you can have whatever opinion you want about it, and say that blacks were rightful countrymen of southern whites, and really pound your fists in self-righteous certainty about it because you “know it to be true”. That’s certainly your viewpoint.
But understand that it is just your viewpoint, and when you realize that the southern whites viewed blacks the way we look at illegal immigrants today, and that the times during which either repatriation of blacks to Africa or creating a separate black country out of land in the US were serious proposals were still in living memory at the time.
Today blacks have been part of the US for so long that such proposals probably seem bizarre to you. And they would bizarre and cruel if implemented today. But also remember that the US had to impose military governments in the south in order to pass the 14th amendment that gave the blacks citizenship. And Oregon, New Jersey and Ohio renounced their ratification of the 14th amendment after the fact in protest of this action.
Obviously is was a symbolic gesture, but it showed that opposition to the way the 14th amendment was passed wasn’t considered some kooky fringe idea at the time. Of course it is now because if you bring up the use of military governments in passing the 14th amendment – well, “only racists talk about that”, so it just gets dismissed.
But yes, understand that the 14th amendment was seen like granting “amnesty” to the illegals is today – it would be creating an alternative method of granting citizenship for a specific group of non-citizens in the US today.
(And the fact that more whites supported granting citizenship to the black slaves at the time than supporting granting amnesty to illegals today is support for a theory I have about whites in the past being more “neurologically left-wing” even if they would be considered today to hold “far-right” positions by today’s standards.)
  1. Despite whatever perceptions American whites had about Americans blacks, it doesn't change the facts were that blacks were not comparable to the Chinese at the time. The cultural gaps and their economic history on a racial basis doesn't justify it.
  2. The basis of historical relativism in this case was seeming argued further in his MLK video, now deleted. That is, as argued by others before, whites didn't have to pay taxes for Black schools. This causes obvious problems as the average black had only limited wealth to tax in large part due to limited skills.
Faulk's self prophesied Conclusion-
So, what do we learn from his conclusions? He bizarrely begins with a tangent on the Zimmerman and Wilson trials and the correlated of media knowledge.
Some excerpts.
The jurors certainly knew more facts about each case than the general public did. Moreover, whites are more likely to believe Zimmerman and Wilson were justified, and whites do better on tests of current events knowledge. In addition, males, who do better on current events knowledge tests than females, also were more satisfied with the Zimmerman verdict than women, and women do worse on current events knowledge tests. Also, people with higher education levels approved the verdict as well.
Thus, all three factors that correlate with general political and current events knowledge (being white, being male and having lots of time in school) also correlate with approving the Zimmerman trial verdict. And the people who had the MOST knowledge – the jurors – unanimously found Zimmerman not guilty.
If you go by the literature in news media talking about “institutional racism” and “white privilege”, it’s not immediately obvious that the aggregate of all media is any less obsessed with the plight of the coloreds than they were in 1964. Maybe they were, but I have no way to really tell.
Do you see it? Do you see that lack of any real transition? Maybe some further comment can help.
But lets say Derrick Wilson killed “the gentle giant” in 1961. There was no internet in 1961, what you knew about the events was what a few major news outlets chose to report. As it happens, a jury also found J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant not guilty of murder in their killing of Emmett Till. And what do you know about that event? Do the facts you know of the Emmett Till verdict seem to paint a one-sided story to where it is unbelievable, yes, unbelievable that a jury would find Bryant and Milam not guilty?
Once again we have a comparison that isn't proper. The modern day examples leaves no ambiguity as to who killed who, it was a matter of whether the killing was justified or not.
The Emmett Till situation was vastly different, since the matter of whether or not Till was killed, whether or not Milam and Bryant were guilty, or exactly what happened between Till and Bryant in the store. Her own account only goes as far as to say that she was grabbed by the waist, while press releases by the defense/police was explicitly more violent. Both stories differ from her original account to her lawyers. Even the officer who initially believed that the body belonged to Till changed his mind when the town's reputation began to be tarnished.
Furthermore, even if we are to treat the Till case like the modern day examples, it only shows the hairiness of the case itself. Despite the defense being that Till is not confirmed dead, and that the brothers were innocent of murder, part of their defense regarding Till's actions and the release of Louis Till's rape record by politicians shows a blatant message. That even if the brothers killed Till, it was justified despite nonetheless being illegal.
Anyone, however, can read the various sources that talks about the issue at length. Personally I have Devery Anderson's most recent book.
Because we all know that the courts in the South were incredibly unfair to the blacks? Except there’s no real data to support that at the time,
In regards to death penalties, legal and illegal, for interracial rape, we do. This is supported, along with the data, In regards to changing testimonies in the case of Till, from the police, we do. From the fact that shortly afterward another white on black murder with a white witness (and multiple black ones) claiming otherwise. Said white was not only a friend of the defendants of the Till case, but was defended by the same officer who doubted the corpse's identity.
Point is that an entire survey of the south as a premise of bias is unnecessary (though supportive) of bias. The specific town where the crime took place has plenty of evidence of bias during the trial stemming from community values.
and victim surveys from modern times correspond with the police arrest rates, and police are more likely to kill a white person in any given arrest situation, are more likely to shoot blacks in simulations, and the black percentage of killing cops is higher than their percentage of being killed by cops. And in fact the black incarceration rate relative to whites is HIGHER than it was during segregation.
Irrelevant to the context of Till, a circumstance so legally unique from the above examples it shows Faulk's ignorance. The only connection is the matter of white credibility in modern settings verses in the context of a particular case.
As shown in previous articles, modern “institutional racism” in terms of police and court bias, callbacksand educational opportunities are very easily revealed to be phantasms – or at the very least the issue of whether or not they exist is much more complex than the basic statistics you hear on tumblr and huffpo posts would suggest.
Both articles are shitty, see United Left on the school vouchers argument.
Recent studies have shown that residential racial segregation has increased in the United States. This is an improvement over older studies which simply looked at cities and the percentage of each race in the cities. These newer methods actually look at the likelihood of you having a neighbor of a different race, and find that racial segregation is increasing.
So it's basically comparing two different types of "segregation", the conventional method comparing pre-1960s trends nonetheless decreasing.
We already know that schools are more segregated than they were during the late 1960s. Now this is a profound thing; you’ve been to school. You had first hand experience with how racially segregated they were. THAT was close to what it was like during Jim Crow that we hear so many stories about. So… how segregated did it seem?
Again, misleading headline.
In other places on this site, Sean and I make arguments about how currently, blacks and hispanics are not getting a raw deal in employment, courts or education. But what surprised me was just how much, looking into the past, the old days seem so similar to today in terms of the lot of blacks compared to whites.
They are drawn parallel. The past is not far away, it’s right here. 60 years ago was yesterday.
Only your superficial understanding of the 1960s, or any decade before.
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2020.07.19 22:14 ProudMalamuteowner What Indian men can learn from the interracial dating success of Asian men in the western world.

On a previous thread, I posted about why Indian men need to speak the fuck up because the whiners, moaners and negative nancies are flooding the web with their BS and making it one giant sob gathering. The sub dedicated to South Asian masculinity isn't helping either, it's pretty damned toxic IMO and a waste of space. Hardly any good discussion gets going there and most posts are just people crying all the time about how tough it is to be brown. The sub has failed us and is a toxic cesspool of garbage where no actionable items are talked about and men just whine all fucking day about being brown, it is even worse than an incel forum and is pretty much an Indian version of PUAHate (the site that produced Eliot Rodger).
I feel like while our East Asian brothers have made significant strides with interracial dating, Indian men have been left in the dust and have not even bothered. Pretty soon, as desis assimilate more into American society, we will have the same situation our Asian brothers dealt with for far too long. Desi women that are hot will date interracial in high numbers while the men are left being incel, it might be even worse for us than it was for Asian men.
Asian men have just flat out had more success going interracial with beautiful women of all races and Desi men have not.
Now with these significant strides that Asian men have made, I think Desi men need to take notes and learn from our Asian brothers. Here are some lessons I think we need to learn.
Racial unity. You are a fucking Indian guy, not a Mediterranean, Arab, Persian, or Latino but a fucking Indian guy. Stop bragging about being confused for other races, it is low value behavior.
Maybe it is because Asians have a distinct look that make it tough for them to pass for anything but Asian so it's a non-topic. One thing I see Indian men do that frustrates me and is low value behavior is often bragging about being mistaken for other races. Dude, cut it out. You are a fucking Indian guy, plain and simple. When others see you, they see a fucking Indian guy. Own up to that shit and lose this whole desperation to want to be other races. Almost all Indian men I have known who bragged about being mistaken for other races were awful with women and usually had some form of mental illness, they were unhinged. Unfortunately, I find this most true of lighter skinned Indian men if anything.
And seriously, stop flooding conversations about which part of India is better than the other. To everyone else, you're a fucking desi, no matter what shade of brown you are.
I am tired of so much of the conversation revolving around what part of India is what and which part is superior. The worst is when you fucking aspies go into historical dialogue about it on dating forums, shut the fuck up! Seriously, just because your skin is a few shades lighter does not stop some fucking racist from stereotyping you. Shut the fuck up about this shit, you are wasting everyone's fucking time. To the world, north or south, you are a fucking Indian.
Among Asian men even, I see more unity. Even if it is Japanese and Chinese, there is unity in the dating improvement conversation.
Don't get too comfortable and start taking action on making yourself attractive.
Hit the gym, look good, take classes to improve your social skills, and go out to meet people. Do not get too cozy inside of whatever community you are a part of, believe me when I say that some of those pure girls you think are saving themselves for marriage are getting busy with men outside of your community beforehand. I don't want to depress you too much on a Sunday but let's just say that the hot Indian girl you have been pining for has already "experimented" a bit behind your back before settling down while you thought you had an arrange marriage to fall back on. The world is fucking, young people even moreso. Time for you to get on that train, do not enter an arranged marriage without having had some of the fun yourself.
Asian men were almost forced to self-improvement due to Asian women being so self-hating and openly hating their own kind, especially in the US. Indian men are more closed off to this but with Mindy Kalings and Priyanka Chopras being the norm, some of us are slowly coming to our senses.
Expand your fucking horizons.
Some say that one of the reasons the Brits conquered India other than us hating each other is that we never expanded or bothered to be a navy power. I think laziness may as well be in the blood of an Indian man who wants to take the path of least resistance. Even now, the Indian man stays cozy in his own community, thinking that arranged marriage will somehow save him. That Indian guy is living on borrowed time. As Indian women assimilate more and more into western society, he is going to get a reality check for the ages once he sees the same shit Asian men were seeing for decades with their women going for white men.
Asian men expanded their horizons though, a good number did not obsess over white women like a lot of Indian men do. A lot of our Asian brothers went for women of other races and even did things like travel to other countries for game. Meanwhile, Indian men are too busy sitting on our fat lazy asses hoping for that arranged marriage meal ticket. Oh brother oh brother, you just wait until you get that gut check, it will hit you harder than the British Raj hit our ancestors.
Share your fucking story, even if it is a bad one, be specific and be honest with yourself.
Did that hot blonde really reject you for being Indian or did she reject you because you are short, overweight, smell, and dressed like you are straight out of a computer lab?
Share your fucking story and if it is a good one. Really fucking share it. The world is begging and crying for a successful Indian man to share his success story, it is dying for it.
We have had so many losers flood comment sections and forums talking about how women hate Indian men, have probably never even talked to a woman before, are truly ugly men who don't care for themselves, and we can desperately use a good story. Hell, even if you went out there and failed, share the lessons you have learned and what you did.
I really think in this internet age, it is more important than ever that we empower Asian and Indian men who are having success to speak up and share their stories. I am going to start a movement on this sub called the SpeakUp movement where I want Asian and Indian voices to be heard.
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2020.06.23 01:58 archelogy AznIdentity's Response to NBCNews' Attack on this subreddit and on Asian men more generally

AznIdentity's Response to NBCNews' Attack on this subreddit and on Asian men more generally
Context: NBCNews' Kimmy Yam wrote a piece titled "Kellie Chauvin and a history of Asian women being judged for whom they marry" that faulted Asian men for racism and sexism. For background, Kellie Chauvin was the Asian wife of Derek Chauvin, the white cop who murdered George Floyd. You can read the archived article at the link above and see the AI convo here.
What Does the Article Say about Asian Men and AI:
  • On Asian Men: AM are sexist and racist:
"Many experts feel the reaction [to fault Kellie Chauvin] is symptomatic of attitudes that many in the [Asian] community, especially certain men, have held toward women in interracial relationships, particularly with white men. It’s the unfortunate result of....sexism and racism"

  • On Asian Men: It is "problematic" for Asians to hold Asian women accountable for supporting people like Derek Chauvin:
"However, directing anger toward Asian women for their interracial relationships uncovers a host of problematic underlying belief"

  • On AI: Yam links to an AI post as an example of sexism (the link in the excerpt below links to AI):
"Others have concluded her marriage was a tool to gain social standing in the U.S., and several social media users on Asian American message boards dominated by men have dubbed her a “Lu,” a slang term often used to describe Asian women who are in relationships with white men as a form of white worship."
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  • On AI: Later in the piece, they make an allusion to Reddit incels: "It's not [just] incel, Reddit conversations,” (NOTE: this is transparently false labeling that comes from the white racist community)
It is important to note that we are not called out by name (perhaps to discourage people coming here and finding the truth) but through the link to us and then implied with the Asian "Reddit" comment above.

What Points Does the Article Make:
  • The article implies Kellie Chauvin was unfairly stigmatized for supporting violent white racist Derek Chauvin, and that critiques of her or asking for her accountability equate to misogyny (sexism).
  • Claims Asians (esp AM) unfairly judge AF for dating WM.
  • Claims Asian women are victims in certain ways that should mean that attempts to hold them accountable for aiding white racists are essentially 'punching down'.

The AI Response

Overview

Let's remind ourselves what AI is. AI is one of the largest and THE most active Asian-American community on the web, consisting of proud Asian men AND women. We are an anti-racist subreddit; we fight Anti-Asianism and abhor racism against our PoC brothers. We have hundreds of articles fighting for Asian women and calling out their abusers (which statistics show tend to be white men) This is the sort of people we are and what we're about.

We are Not Daunted by Racism against AI by the White Media

That a major news outlet like NBC would cast aspersions on AznIdentity might seem like some to be bad news. Far from it. As Malcolm X stated eloquently "It is because of our effort to get straight to the root of racism that people oftentime think we're dealing with hate" (at the link, see: 0:23-1:00). AznIdentity has fought against the root of white supremacy and its effects. As such, we are hated by white racists and their enablers.
Prior The New York Times ("The Cut") and now NBC - both powerful white owned media - used their power and reach, along with Asian faces and dishonest charges to misrepresent AI.
The famous quote goes "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”. We are in stage 3.
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As eyes focus on the white racist Derek Chauvin and the white killers of Ahmaud Arbery, not to mention the violence by predominantly white attackers of Asians over Covid-19, perhaps this is time for white media to play the Anti-Asian card again that it is actually Asian men who are the racist and sexist ones. Right on time....

Kimmy Yam Contradicts Her Own Point Straightaway

(I know Kimmy Yam calls herself a 'reporter' in the byline but this is clearly an opinion piece masquerading as 'news')
Let's talk about the article. Yam's point seems to be Asian men should not judge Asian women in relationships with white men- there is nothing wrong with it. And yet the example she uses to show how Asian women are judged unfairly in this regard is an Asian woman who married and supported a vicious white racist who killed an innocent black man and had 17 official complaints against him, including shooting another black man.
Nice going Kimmy. Way to convey the opposite of what you intended and instead give people justified doubt about the mindset of Asian women who date white - and raise important questions about what high doses of white worship will cause certain Asian women to overlook.
To reiterate, Derek Chauvin had 17 complaints over two decades, was given two letters of reprimand. He was involved in shooting black men before. Kellie Chauvin didn't care. If there ever were a case where people SHOULD suspect that an Asian woman in a WM-AF relationship was racist, indifferent to racism, and/or conditioned by white society to overlook a white male's flaws - THIS WOULD BE IT.
Why do you think black people were so angry at Kellie:
"Kellie Chauvin, fuck you. You married a monster, that’s on you! Fuck your privacy, fuck your peace, stand up and be an adult. You’re not devasted, you’re just blown you got caught fucking an racist assclown!" (tweet)
Are these black men and women racist and sexist for holding Kellie accountable?
To NOT hold enablers like Kellie Chauvin accountable for enabling the white racism and white supremacist violence of her husband WOULD be the wrong thing for Asian men to do. It's common sense, and we owe it to the black community. Make no mistake, Derek is the key villain and he will face trial, but what about all those in society who supported him along the way who never will? What if violent white racists had no social support? Would not some straighten up and fly right because being ostracized could not be worth it? There is a human cost to aiding and abetting white racism.

On Out-dating

AI is NOT against white male / Asian female relationships (WM-AF). We are against the undercurrent of white male supremacy in America, which remains strategically unspoken, but manifests in the entertainment culture, social dynamics, hiring practices, college admissions, etc. that creates status deltas that make a racial caste system where such out-dating is the outgrowth of denigrating Asian men and elevating white men . We are against not Asian out-dating but against white neocolonial practices that elevate white men unduly on racial grounds and the submission of Asians to these forces as well as outright denial by those under its influence (or their self-serving white allies in the press or elsewhere).
Anti-racists don't marry racists. And you don't have to kill a black man to be a racist. Do we think Chauvin is the only white racist out there? There are far subtler forms that again, Asian women under the spell of white worship, will not only disregard but sometimes adopt the racism that goes along with it. Many Hispanics and Persians and non-Asian POC have told me how awful they've been treated by the wrong kind of Asian women - almost always I find out this is an Asian woman with White Fever and the flip side of that same coin - is denigration of non-whites. They come two in a package, never apart. There are SERIOUS problems here, racial problems, that we cannot hide under the slogan "love is love".
The Asian community cannot hide this problem- we must call it out - in the full spectrum battle against racism. Whites & the white media aren't helping anyone by claiming Asian men are racist or sexist by calling a spade a spade. We are rooting out racism in our midst.
Kellie Chauvin is not the first Asian woman who sought after and dated a white racist. There are many (see list)- we apologize to blacks, Jews, and all other groups hated and attacked by these white men these women supported. As explained below, if we find ANY Asian men who do the same, they will go on the list in a heartbeat.
Kellie Chauvin is perhaps the worst example for Yam to use in that it proves OUR point not hers. There is racism in the Asian community and it comes from those who fall under the spell of white supremacy and aid and abet white racism of all kinds. With Kellie, white supremacy is so strong it causes an Asian woman to jettison all moral standards in her pursuit of a white husband. Consider how strong the dimensions of white supremacy must be -- that is what we are against. And we are against adults who succumb to WS - they must own their decisions.
The unfortunate reality is that there are many Kellie Chauvins. Whites can ignore it, stigmatize our fighting the underlying factors, use the power of white mainstream media to villainize us. But it remains a problem. Not just for Asians, but for the black community and whole PoC community. When blacks attack the Asian community for being "racist" they are talking about people like Kellie Chauvin. Proud Asian women on this sub are part of the solution against the fragment of Asians who co-sign white supremacy.

What about Asian Men?

This sub would be apoplectic in rage at an Asian brother if he married one of these racist white Karens we come across. Don't know if we've seen one, but we would be if it transpired. We certainly have a right to be disappointed and disgusted with one who marries a white racist killer. Yam's article obscures that we have proud Asian women on AI fighting against these types.
As additional context: In truth, in America, we live under White Male Supremacy, not just white supremacy. It's white men with all the power. When Asian men date out, they subvert white male supremacy. Meanwhile, status looms large in Female to Male mate selection, not Male to Female and therefore white men are the prime beneficiaries of artificial status elevation in society.

On Kellie Chauvin and those like Her

If the black community is outraged at Kellie Chauvin, we understand why. We don't think NBC should have tried to rehabilitate her image and slandered communities like ours as racist and sexist for trying to hold her accountable for her part. WS infects minds and leads to fateful decisions.

The Bigger Picture and Final Word

This article at times was even-handed (even talking about emasculation of Asian men in the media, and ends with an acknowledgement by Dhingra, one expert, that indeed white supremacy impacts dating choices). But it made some very unfortunate accusations. Some I will ignore because they are mere regurgitation of white racist talking points about AI that they hope will stick with enough repetition.
NBC and Kimmy Yam decided to look at the George Floyd case - and rather than center it on systematic racism, BLM, or the need for police reform, they used it to say the Asian woman who dated the white racist killer got a raw deal in how she was criticized. Think about that a moment.
I'm not mad at Yam. If the all-powerful white media couldn't get Yam to assail the Asian community, they'd find some other Asian face to do the honors. We know white media has weaponized feminism to divide the Asian community (just as they used it to divide the black community in the 70s). We know the playbook.
The white media has the money, the brands, the reach, the perceived importance we don't have as a group of Asians collaborating on a free platform. Good thing we have the one decisive thing that matters more than those - The Truth.
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Update 6/23: Yam's article was posted on Yahoo. One of the comments from a white woman received over 1,000 upvotes; it said "Perhaps the reason some Asian women prefer men of a different race or culture is that men in some Asian communities view women the way the article says.".
That's precisely the danger of these articles (and why white neocolonialism NEEDS people like Kimmy Yam). First, whites stack the deck against Asian men. Then they exonerate Asian women who aid and abet the worst white racists. Then to let the white racist and Asian enabler off the hook, they somehow portray Asian men as the villains for calling this out. Finally, the hit-job influences bystanders who assume that Asian men deserve to be mistreated.
Long ago, whites realized they didn't need guns or even laws to control non-whites in "their" countries; all they needed was the culture - because it controls the minds of the masses.
Fortunately, we at AI have broken their stranglehold over the narrative. Their hold is mainly over Chans, Krishnas, Lu's and white people who want to believe the worst. Every day we make inroads.
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2020.05.06 09:42 sparts305 Lost and Confused young black gentlemen here.

So I've been in a mental stalemate for 4 years. To some people this username may be a bit too familiar... Especially with recent events on here, I apologize in advance. Things have deteriorated to the point where I had no one to talk to but you guys for the millionth time, since all the communication lines are all but broken down with family and friends. I know I should take it to a subreddit that is more along the lines of mental health and advice but I wanted to get some advice from my fellow Torontonians I thought it would be great to listen to you guys since I've read some amazing responses to other people's threads concerning their own mental health problems. Well, here I go. I am 23 years old currently living in Ontario Canada.previously lived in Florida, U.S born in Jamaica within the first 12 months of living out of the U.S realize how crappy the situation has gotten over there mass shootings, race war baiting, police brutality , economic shitfest galore Wants to believe in what's actually going on behind closed doors on the world stage discovered many conspiracy theories and government cover ups from MK-Ultra, Gulf of Tonkin, Op Northwoods, to 9/11 researched extensively on reasons and theories behind the race related problems in the world can't accept these theories of mass brainwashing and division among ethnic lines on a global scale without being an Anti-Semite. I wanted to know who's running the world stage... I got too caught up with the wrong crowd of people online. Instead of finishing grade 12, I procrastinated a lot... Surf the web on pseudo politics and current events. I have a thing for looking at alternative news. 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They made me think that skin color determines your fate and how you will live your life finds articles and graphs on race comparisons via skull fragments and Intelligence Quotients and SAT national scores and crime and poverty stats finds out the truth about my own race refuses to accept the fact that he belongs to a worthless race tries to disassociate myself from my race in an attempt to be seen higher than my own people gets bombarded with questions by non-black people about himself and black people in general apologizes and explains to non-black people every single time when one of my own commits a crime and is broadcast on national television academic marks plunge at the start of senior year due to "I'm a failure"mentality and hopelessness of my future thinks race mixing will only have horrible effects on the offspring ( confusion of ones race or cultural identity and psychological problems will persist into their life) along with lower than average IQ and being vulnerable to certain diseases. This made me realize can't be with a different woman other than my own occasionally contemplates suicide because no non-black woman would want to be with me out of fear of abuse, failure to provide for ones family, no high salary career, not being able to become successful in life Those are the articles graphs that made me assume that I was in fact inferior to other races ... every time i reach a boiling point I try to reach out to the people who say these things so I made a Q and A thread on one of their forums (I.E /pol/ stormfront, thirdwave, thirdposition, politically incorrect forums. Instead of trying to understand their mindset, I become indoctrinated in their ideology and which resulted in my warped view of society. I have huge anxiety over dating interracial because of those things said above. Due to my social awkwardness and not knowing how to speak to women in a flirtatious way without them getting freaked out by my futile attempts as being flirty let alone handle them, I've tried online dating websites but with a hit or miss mostly, apparently people can detect redflags just by looking at ones face or bio. I personally see my self as average or below average in looks For years I have tried to weight lift and eat well, though I have excelled well at weight lifting my diet has been very poor as of late so I have to deal with being "muscle fat". So pretty much I've failed in getting a partner so I had to pay for sexual favors, an occasional trip to the massage parlor or brothel to release stress is usually the case for me and to fend off the feeling of being lonely, for those who think its messed up, I can assure you I treat everyone person I encounter in the sex trade with the utmost respect and dignity, and I 100% advocate for a well regulated and safe environment for all involved in the sex trade industry! For more than 4 years I've been at a standstill and I don't know what I should do. I can't seem to reinforce my confidence or self esteem. I took a lot of things to heart I got a weak mindset from the day I was born. It's bad enough that I didn't finish my secondary diploma (due to mental health issues), and that I continue to disappoint my family and friends, But unfortunately, I recently got myself into a situation where I have to get my friends involved in a homicide investigation (long fucking story I'm not going to talk about it) and I fear getting in trouble with the law for not passing the needed info (by convincing my best friend to talk to the detective, but they don't want to get involved out of fear for their privacy and safety) or losing my 5+ year relationship with them if I try to bring it up to them which will most likely result in a big argument and us not talking to each other again. Each day this world is becoming more and more toxic, and each day it gives me another reason as to why I should no longer live on this toxic earth where people call you racial slurs, kill you for being something they don't like, get treated like crap even if you done no harm to anyone. I want off this shit show of a ride. It's all so tiresome. Back in 2018 I Thought I was doing the right thing by coming forward in hopes of testifying against a former friend in the disappearance and murder of a local woman back in 2017 but all I did was get myself involved in more unnecessary problems that I have no absolute control over. In this world filled with hate and despair how does one continue on? Every now and then I picture myself leaping from the Maj Mac/400 bridge to my inevitable fate, if I keep this up it may soon become reality.
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2020.02.21 03:57 Practical_Wrap Absolute disgusting over hundreds of pedophilia cases on asian countries done by whites.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-man-charged-with-possessing-child-pornography-child-luring-1.4241672

Federal Cybersecurity Director Found Guilty on Child Porn ...
https://www.wired.com/2014/08/federal-cybersecurity-director-guilty-child-porn-charges/

Massive child webcam sex bust in Philippines reveals rising abuse worldwide The Japan Times
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/05/09/asia-pacific/crime-legal-asia-pacific/massive-child-webcam-sex-bust-philippines-reveals-rising-abuse-worldwide/#.WRJGmlJvGwY

A known pedophile with kids is engaged to a woman from the Philippines. Runs for politics as a self described: “Red pilled libertarian.” – an aggregate website devoted to exploring the darker, sociological implications of the world's greatest imbalance of interracial and intercultural relationships. https://halfasian.org/2017/03/01/a-known-pedophile-with-kids-is-engaged-to-a-woman-from-the-philippines-runs-for-politics-as-a-self-described-red-pilled-libertarian/

Mt. Holly man wanted in child sex assaults, wife charged
http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/03/mt-holly-man-wanted-child-sex-assaults-wife-charged/13548571/

Convicted Pedophile Still Actively Involved With Children’s NGO - The Cambodia Daily
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/morenews/convicted-pedophile-still-actively-involved-with-childrens-ngo-2-124686/

Tennessee man pleads to charges of abusing his family:
http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/34876094.html

Teacher who claimed he molested his daughter after mistaking her for his wife jailed South China Morning Post:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/1962598/teacher-who-claimed-he-molested-his-daughter-after

Gammy ' s Australian parents were ' hiding in their home ' all ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719589/Gammys-birth-parents-speak-surrogacy-scandal-television-interview.html

Paso Robles man allegedly molested multiple children:
https://calcoastnews.com/2016/07/paso-robles-man-allegedly-molested-multiple-children/

‘It’s been a disaster’: Man suing Surrey Creep Catchers speaks out CTV Vancouver News
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/it-s-been-a-disaster-man-suing-surrey-creep-catchers-speaks-out-1.3322028

Photographer documents American fathers and their adopted Chinese children: Shanghaiist
http://shanghaiist.com/2015/08/29/american_dad_chinese_kids.php

Thai police expand hunt for suspected Western paedophiles:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/243263

English-school operator 'sexually abused 40 girls'
https://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1890333&highlight=
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1358485/+0#entry32494776

Thai police arrest paedophile suspect UK news The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/19/ukcrime.internationalcrime

American pedophile who molested 9-year-old arrested in the Philippines New York Post http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/american-pedophile-who-molested-9-year-old-busted-in-the-philippines/

British paedophile Richard William Fruin caught in Cambodia Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593561/Convicted-British-paedophile-caught-preying-young-boys-Cambodia-travelling-passport-UK-authorities-confiscated.html

Cambodia Netherlands: Fugitive paedophile Pieter Ceulen arrested - BBC News:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35785885

US Man Gets 25 Years For Molesting Boys In China The Nanfang:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/parizona-man-who-photographed-sexual-abuse-young-boys-while-working-china-sentenced-25

American man held from Kathmandu on paedophilia charge ...
https://thehimalayantimes.com/kathmandu/american-man-held-kathmandu-paedophilia-charge/

Nepal Police intensifies vigilance against potential paedophiles
https://thehimalayantimes.com/kathmandu/nepal-police-intensifies-vigilance-potential-paedophiles/

Another foreign teacher accused of sexual abuse - Lost …
https://www.lostlaowai.com/news/another-foreign-teacher-accused-of-sexual-abuse/

Disgraced B.C. teacher employed by Beijing school Vancouver Sun
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/disgraced-b-c-teacher-employed-by-beijing-school

Man sentenced to 70 years in prison for molesting kids in Cambodia abc7.com
http://abc7.com/news/man-sentenced-to-70-years-in-prison-for-molesting-children-in-cambodia/1454098/

Jakarta International School Employed US American Child ... https://nsnbc.me/2014/05/03/jakarta-international-school-employed-us-american-child-sex-predato

Pedophile's jail sentence cut - World - smh.com.au
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pedophiles-jail-sentence-cut/2007/07/17/1184559787655.html

Jared Fogle ‘craved’ 14-year-old Asian girls: text messages New York Post:
http://nypost.com/2016/04/19/jared-fogle-craved-14-year-old-asian-girls-text-messages/

Wanted alleged UK child rapist found to be working in ...
https://www.lostlaowai.com/news/wanted-alleged-uk-child-rapist-found-to-be-working-in-beijing-school/

Brit teacher arrested on child sex allegations in Cambodia Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4721992/British-man-arrested-child-sex-allegations-Cambodia.html

British paedophile who jumped bail finally held in Thailand London Evening Standard
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/british-paedophile-who-jumped-bail-finally-held-in-thailand-7202033.html

Fugitive 'who had unprotected sex with men and women to spread his HIV' is caught in holiday resort - Mirror Online
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fugitive-who-unprotected-sex-men-9643537

Singaporeans outraged over American pedophile's jail term Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4294740/Singaporeans-outraged-American-pedophile-s-jail-term.html

Philippines to deport American pedophile INQUIRER.net
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/64219/philippines-to-deport-american-pedophile

Australians the worst child sex offenders in Thailand
http://www.news.com.au/world/australians-the-worst-child-sex-offenders-in-thailand/story-e6frfkyi-1225772485392

Father who raped his gay daughter to prove ‘sex was better with men’ jailed for 21 years The Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/father-raped-lesbian-daughter-sex-better-with-men-warwick-crown-court-a7612131.html

Dad Who Raped Daughter: 'Was Fun While It Lasted':
http://news.sky.com/story/dad-who-raped-daughter-was-fun-while-it-lasted-10322604

Big Stone Gap Police officer facing rape, incest, grooming, and indecent liberties charges WSET:
http://wset.com/news/local/big-stone-gap-police-officer-facing-rape-incest-grooming-and-indecent-liberties-charges

Pedophilia in Britain ‘woven into the fabric of society’ – Theresa May — RT UK:
https://www.rt.com/uk/240777-uk-sex-children-may/

More than 70 UK sex offenders refused entry to South East Asia
http://news.sky.com/story/more-than-70-uk-sex-offenders-refused-entry-to-south-east-asia-10982865

Pedophile profile: Young, white, wealthy
http://www.zdnet.com/article/pedophile-profile-young-white-wealthy/

More than 200 children identified and rescued in worldwide police operation Europol:
https://www.europol.europa.eu/content/more-200-children-identified-and-rescued-worldwide-police-operation

One of the most disturbing coffee breaks of my life': Halting 'child rape' holidays in Asia
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/06/21/12/26/one-of-the-most-disturbing-coffee-breaks-of-my-life-the-halting-of-child-rape-holidays-in-asia

1,400 investigated in child sex abuse inquiry, including politicians UK news The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/20/1400-suspects-operation-hydrant-politician-and-celebrity-child-sex-abuse-inquiry

Richard Huckle faces life sentences for Malaysia child abuse - BBC News:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36429385

US child porn suspect flees to South Korea:
http://m.koreatimes.co.kphone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=212090

Bombshell documentary about Hollywood pedophile ring preying on child actors that's been linked to X-Men director Bryan Singer premieres in New York Daily Mail Online:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836062/Bombshell-documentary-Hollywood-pedophile-ring-preying-child-actors-s-linked-X-Men-director-Bryan-Singer-premiers-New-York.html

Kids 'Sitting Ducks' for Pedophile Teachers - ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3743338&page=1

UN slams Vatican for 'efforts to cover up' pedophile priests in sex abuse scandal - World News:
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/16/22324032-un-slams-vatican-for-efforts-to-cover-up-pedophile-priests-in-sex-abuse-scandal

Danish man charged with ordering the sexual abuse of 346 Filipino children - The Local:
http://www.thelocal.dk/20170216/danish-man-charged-with-ordering-the-sexual-abuse-of-346-filipino-children

Rolf Harris guilty: but what has Operation Yewtree really taught us about sexual abuse?
https://nsnbc.me/2014/07/06/rolf-harris-guilty-operation-yewtree-really-taught-us-sexual-abuse/

Pedophiles drawn to ESL jobs, groups warn
http://www.pressreader.com/canada/national-post-latest-edition/20071018/281513631789140

Ex USC professor named FBI s Top 10 Most Wanted list pleads guilty traveling Asia sex young boys met online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746130/Ex-USC-professor-named-FBI-s-Top-10-Most-Wanted-list-pleads-guilty-traveling-Asia-sex-young-boys-met-online.html

UK police arrest 660 suspected pedophiles - CNN.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/world/europe/uk-pedophile-probe/

British Pedophile Successfully Changes His Name and Continues Teaching Kids in Thailand:
http://nextshark.com/alan-smith-british-pedophile-changed-his-name-twice-so-he-can-freely-return-and-teach-children-in-thailand/

386 Kids Rescued in Worldwide Child Porn Bust. Hundreds ...
https://nsnbc.me/2013/11/15/386-kids-rescued-worldwide-child-porn-bust-hundreds-arrested/

Organizer of child sex ring in Thailand sentenced to 25 years - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/31/new.jersey.sex.ring/index.html

For today's pedophiles, it's all too easy - The Globe and Mail
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/for-todays-pedophiles-its-all-too-easy/article22625144/

British paedo running kids charity in Cambodia - Mirror Online
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-paedo-running-kids-charity-230087

Mark Frost admits 45 sex crimes Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4180054/Paedophile-Mark-Frost-70-admits-45-sex-crimes.html

New Jersey actor gets nearly 20 years in child sex case NJ.com
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/new_jersey_actor_sentenced_in.html

Midland paedophile enjoys holiday in child sex resort thanks to loophole in law - Birmingham Mail
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/midland-paedophile-enjoys-holiday-child-7917816

Elijah Wood Speaks Out on Child Abuse in Hollywood : People.com:
http://www.people.com/article/elijah-wood-child-abuse-hollywood-sunday-times

Petition · Steven Burn, child-porn cardiologist, should be struck off. ·
Change.org: https://www.change.org/p/general-medical-council-fitness-to-practise-panel-colin-yule-investigating-officer-martyn-green-martyn-green-colin-yule-steven-burn-child-porn-cardiologist-should-be-struck-off

Couple Charged With Child Abuse Seattle Times Newspaper
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19910918&slug=1306274

Harvard man charged with sexual assault of child - Lake County News-Sun:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/crime/ct-lns-antioch-child-sex-charge-st-0624-20160623-story.html

Australian Cardinal and Aide to Pope Is Charged With Sexual Assault - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/world/australia/cardinal-george-pell-charged-sexual-abuse.html

Police Arrest Alleged American Pedophile Who Fled to Thailand to Work as a Teacher
https://nextshark.com/jackson-matthew-hall-police-arrest-alleged-american-pedophile-who-fled-to-thailand-to-work-as-a-teache

Norwalk man gets 22 years in prison for crimes against children in Cambodia – Whittier Daily News
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/2016/12/08/norwalk-man-gets-22-years-in-prison-for-crimes-against-children-in-cambodia/

Delhi Police focus on 23 chats recovered from Murray Dennis Ward’s phone The Indian Express
http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-police-focus-on-23-chats-recovered-from-murray-dennis-wards-phone-4830639/

Michael Gerson - No More Pedophile Tourists
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082301832.html

Southeast Asia a Haven for Pedophiles - ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2325416

Karl Joseph Kraus, 90-year-old Australian ... - NY Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/karl-joseph-kraus-90-year-old-australian-arrested-charged-raping-sisters-thailand-article-1.185188

Arizona Man Who Photographed Sexual Abuse of Young Boys while Working in China Sentenced to 25 Years in Federal Prison USAO-CDCA Department of Justice:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/parizona-man-who-photographed-sexual-abuse-young-boys-while-working-china-sentenced-25

World Briefing Asia: Indonesia: Pedophile Found Hanged - The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/world/world-briefing-asia-indonesia-pedophile-found-hanged.html

Raleigh church youth director accused of having child porn :: WRAL.com
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10829785/

Native English teacher accused of kissing students
http://m.koreatimes.co.kphone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=232197

British Pedophile Arrested in Cambodia For Allegedly Raping Four Minors
http://nextshark.com/clive-robert-kingsley-cressy-cambodia-police-find-young-girls-clothes-and-toys-inside-arrested-british-pedophiles-suitcase/

U.N. Report: Vatican Policies Allowed Priests To Rape Children - NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-n-report-vatican-policies-allowed-priests-rape-children-n22531

Justice Denied: Metropolitan Police cover up VIP ...
http://www.dailyalternative.co.uk/justice-denied-metropolitan-police-cover-up-vip-paedophile-ring/

Pedophiles find cover in parts of Asia - World news - Asia-Pacific NBC News
https://web.archive.org/web/20160828103646/http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14397137/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/pedophiles-easily-find-cover-parts-asia/

Empowering pedophiles New York Post:
http://nypost.com/2013/01/16/empowering-pedophiles/

The Catholic Church’s Latest Abuse Scandals Foreign Policy:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/03/16/the-catholic-churchs-latest-abuse-scandals/

National Review Online:
http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/356856/normalizing-pedophilia-2-wesley-j-smith

National Review Online
http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/337010/normalizing-pedophilia-wesley-j-smith

Australia plans to ban pedophiles from traveling overseas - ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/australia-ban-pedophiles-traveling-overseas-47715534

Philippines' Duterte asks head of human rights agency: 'Are you a pedophile?'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte/philippines-duterte-asks-head-of-human-rights-agency-are-you-a-pedophile-idUSKCN1BR0IX

120 child sex traffickers arrested, 84 kids rescued in FBI sting (VIDEO) — RT US News
https://www.rt.com/usa/407166-child-sex-trafficking-fbi/

The pedophile tentacles that stretch from the Philippines into Australian homes : Preda Foundation, Inc.
http://www.preda.org/world/the-pedophile-tentacles-that-stretch-from-the-philippines-into-australian-homes/

American ALT at Tokyo high school nabbed over alleged molestation - The Mainichi
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20171020/p2a/00m/0na/002000c

American paedophile planned to reenact movie Fifty Shades of Grey with Filipino victims - ASEAN/East Asia The Star Online
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2017/10/27/american-paedophile-planned-to-reenact-movie-fifty-shades-of-grey-with-filipino-victims/

Deluge of Child Abuse Allegations Shocks China
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001242/deluge-of-child-abuse-allegations-shocks-china

The Impact of Pedophilia Crisis on the Church in Asia
http://www.fabc.org/offices/oc/Documents/seminar.pdf

Catholic officials threaten to sue ex-altar boys
https://www.rt.com/news/410883-vatican-altar-boys-sexual-allegations/

‘It’s been a disaster’: Man suing Surrey Creep Catchers speaks out : vancouver
np.reddit.com/vancouvecomments/5z6l7e/its_been_a_disaster_man_suing_surrey_creep/?st=j0csilnw&sh=73c56afc

Orlando man accused of adopting Filipino girl for sex Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4761902/Businessman-accused-adopting-Filipino-girl-sex.html

The man with the naked piano - Salon.com
http://www.salon.com/2001/10/22/rosser_2/

White male serial killer Arthur Shawcross is a psychopath, guilty of killing 2 children and 11 prostitutes, has an Asian partner and a half-Asian daughter – an aggregate website devoted to exploring the darker, sociological implications of the world's greatest imbalance of interracial and intercultural relationships.
https://halfasian.org/2017/03/26/white-male-serial-killer-arthur-shawcross-is-a-psychopath-guilty-of-killing-2-children-and-11-prostitutes-has-an-asian-partner-and-a-half-asian-daughte

White guy fantasises about raping his Eurasian daughter : hapas:
np.reddit.com/hapas/comments/3ozi2j/white_guy_fantasises_about_raping_his_eurasian/

Convicted Australian paedophile Peter Dundas Walbran is arrested after being caught working in a SCHOOL in Thailand Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352343/Convicted-Australian-paedophile-Peter-Dundas-Walbran-arrested-caught-working-SCHOOL-Thailand.html

Former teacher jailed for molesting seven-year-old at learning centre, Courts & Crime News & Top Stories - The Straits Times:
http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/former-teacher-jailed-for-molesting-seven-year-old-at-learning-centre

Dutch Pedophile Sebastian Reuyl Sentenced to Five Years Prison in Cambodia
https://theinternationalreporter.org/2017/02/18/dutch-pedophile-sebastian-reuyl-sentenced-to-five-years-prison-in-cambodia/

American Brian Naswall gets 10 years for buying child sex in Cambodia Daily Mail Online:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3640313/American-gets-10-years-buying-child-sex-Cambodia.html

Paedophile, 77, jailed 18 months for sexually abusing three boys general-news news:
http://www.graphic.com.gh/news/general-news/paedophile-77-jailed-18-months-for-sexually-abusing-three-boys.html

Pedophile exposed, National, Phnom Penh Post http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/pedophile-exposed
81-Year-Old Serial American Paedophile Gets 10 Years Sentence For Molesting Young Boys In Cambodia Doy News
http://www.doynews.com/article/81-year-old-serial-american-paedophile-gets-10-years-sentence-molesting-young-boys-cambodia

Robert Fiddes Ellis: Australian paedophile says molesting girls ‘not serious’
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/how-balis-worst-paedophile-australian-robert-fiddes-ellis-lured-young-street-girls-with-cash-and-gifts/news-story/a2960cbbb1dc7b6f93d46688e5d1bb9e

Police arrest dozens in international pedophile ring swoop News DW 18.04.2017
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Indian orphans sexually abused by western paedophile ring -- New Internationalist:
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Go East, Western Women! (Comments) LoveAndRomanceNews.com:
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Creator of 'world's largest' child porn site sentenced - NY Daily News
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Foreign teachers facing heightened scrutiny after recent ...
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Sex tourism in South East Asia
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Peter Scully accused of masterminding paedophile ring shrugs off charges Daily Mail Online: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2993246/I-bigger-Ben-Hur-people-interested-Australian-businessman-accused-masterminding-international-paedophile-ring-girl-s-body-buried-home-shrugs-charges.html
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2020.02.11 20:44 srichardbellrock Equal Treatment of LDS LGB's


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Put Paid to the Lie: Equal Treatment of LDS LGB's

(Rather than accept the terminology widely accepted by gay persons themselves, the LDS Church typically uses its own term to describe LGB persons, “Same Sex Attracted,” or (SSA). In this post I will generally eschew the label placed upon our LGB brothers and sisters by the Church, and simply use the more common “LGB,” or “gay.”)

Recently, in the midst of a conversation about gay relatives, a co-worker casually mentioned that the Church treats its “same sex attracted” members in exactly the same way it treats its heterosexual members. It is a sentiment that we have heard from LDS leaders and publications, from friends and family, and on social media. The Church, it is said, only holds its SSA members to the same standards as it does its hetero members[i]—all are expected to be equally obedient to the law of chastity. This, according to many a sincere believer, is equal treatment for LGB and hetero members.

Let’s put paid to that lie right now.

When I attended the temple prior to doing the mission, I “covenanted” to obey the law of chastity. What I agreed to was to not “have sexual intercourse[ii] except with [my] wife to whom [I was] legally and lawfully wedded.”[iii] The most recent revisions have attendees covenanting that “the women of my kingdom and the men of my kingdom shall have no sexual relations except with those whom they have legally and lawfully wedded according to my law.” So to live the Law of Chastity, sex has to be restricted to within the confines of legal marriage.

If same sex marriage does not exist, then in a sense it is true to say that LGB and hetero members are equally expected to not have sex outside of marriage.

With the legalization of same sex marriage, holding LGB members to the same standard would imply, at minimum, accepting that same sex couples having sexual relations with their partners with whom they are “legally and lawfully wedded” are not violating the law of chastity.

Having historically been on the receiving end of persecution for practicing a form of marriage that was both not legally recognized and not accepted by society at large, one might be forgiven for tenaciously hoping (though not expecting) that the Church would be empathetic to a marginalized group likewise being discriminated against for hoping to practice a form of marriage not legally recognized and not accepted by society at large.

However, instead of accepting that married LGB members are not violating the law of chastity, (at least) two salient things occurred that diminish the case for the Church’s earnestness in its ostensible equal treatment of hetero and LGB members.

First, at the behest of the First Presidency[iv], the Church led the fight to try to ensure that same sex marriage not be legalized. In the fight to “protect marriage” in California, 80-90% of canvassers and some 50% of money raised came from the LDS.[v]

Second, just months after the Supreme Court in the US legalized gay marriage, the Church quietly revised its Handbook of Instructions to explicate that same sex marriage is a form of apostasy requiring discipline, and made it official policy to exclude the children of same sex married parents from full participation in the Church, denying these children what it believes to be necessary saving ordinances, until the age of 18 when they could renounce their parents relationship.[vi]

In fact, The Church has gone so far as to call for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as only between opposite sex partners.[vii]

If LGB members were being held to the same standards as hetero members, with the legalization of same sex marriage, married LGB couples would not be violating the Law of Chastity. The reaction of the Church to the gay marriage issue indicates that the Church does not even want the possibility of having to hold its LGB members to an equal standard. The fact that the Church reacted the way it did, to try to block marriage equality and redefine marriage equality as apostasy is one way that the Church broadcasts its disingenuousness when it asserts that LGB members are held to the “same standard.”

The above raises an obvious question as to why the Church would be so adamant in its opposition to the legal acceptance of same sex marriage.

The answer is found in an official communication from the Church, “The Divine Institution of Marriage,” issued in response to the fight for marriage equality in California.

The communication starts by quoting the Church’s Proclamation on the Family: “Marriage is sacred and was ordained of God from before the foundation of the world.”

A majority of the piece is focused on the procreative role marriage:

From the beginning, the sacred nature of marriage was closely linked to the power of procreation. After creating Adam and Eve, God commanded them to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth…” Only a man and a woman together have the natural biological capacity to conceive children. This power of procreation—to create life and bring God’s spirit children into the world—is divinely given. Misuse of this power undermines the institution of the family.

…in almost every culture marriage has been protected and endorsed by governments primarily to preserve and foster the institution most central to rearing children and teaching them the moral values that undergird civilization.

The special status granted marriage is nevertheless closely linked to the inherent powers and responsibilities of procreation and to the innate differences between the genders. By contrast, same-sex marriage is an institution no longer linked to gender—to the biological realities and complementary natures of male and female. Its effect is to decouple marriage from its central role in creating life.

…same-sex marriage…is a far-reaching redefinition of the very nature of marriage itself. It marks a fundamental change in the institution of marriage in ways that are contrary to God’s purposes for His children and detrimental to the long-term interests of society.

From the above text it ought to be self-evident that the Church’s fight was primarily concerned with their own private religious morality—“Divine Institution,” “sacred nature,” “ordained of God,” “Adam and Eve,” “God commanded,” “create life,” “God’s spirit children,” “divinely given,” “God’s purposes. The Church’s choice of language indicates that it is seeking to impose its own private supernaturally derived morality into legislation that would constrain the rights and freedoms of those who do not share its religious values.

But there is, as you read above, a second line of reasoning contained in the article. The Church is asserting that marriage equality will be “detrimental to the long-term interests of society.”

I suppose that a typical reaction to such an assertion (well, mine anyway), would be to suggest that the fact that, at least on the face of it, making the category of marriage and family a little more inclusive ought not negate the value of those already included in the category, that what happens privately in the home of my neighbor has no effect on my family. A carefully stage managed “interview” with Elders Lance B. Wickman and Dallin H. Oaks, intended to put forth the Church’s position on same sex marriage, states that the opposite is true:[viii] “What happens in somebody’s house down the street does in very deed have an effect on what happens in my house…”

So what is this detriment of which the article speaks?

On one hand I suppose that there is an alleged spiritual harm for those who are engaging in “sinful” behaviors. However, “sin,” per se, is not the province of governments, and so private religious moralities should not be grounds for legislation. There is scriptural authority for having the Church avoid interference in political matters found in D&C 134: 9.

A second harm is never explicitly stated but is implied by asserting that marriage has (i) “almost” always been about procreation, and that (ii) it is within the family that “the moral values that undergird civilization” are propagated.

Let’s briefly deal with (ii) first. It may be entirely true that the moral values that undergird society are transmitted through the family unit. For the sake of argument, let’s accept that at face value. But even if 100% true, there is a huge lacuna here. The link between the premiss that “families transmit essential values” and the conclusion that “therefore there should be no legal recognition of same sex marriages” is left for the reader to fill in. It is difficult to think how one could move from that premiss to that conclusion, unless, of course, one presumes that same sex parents are somehow less capable or willing to teach the values in question, or that the values that undergird society include the rejection of the legitimacy of same sex relationships. I think it is clear why the essay wants the reader to fill in this unstated (homophobic) assumption for themselves rather than state it explicitly.

The claim that (i) marriage has always been about procreation…

When confronted with the illegal plural “marriages” of Joseph Smith, including “marriages” to women who were already married to other living men[ix], and to girls[x] that were below the average age of puberty for that time, a favored response from apologists for the Church is to suggest that at least some of those “marriages” were not sexual, and were for the purposes of creating “loose dynastic bonds.”[xi] Putting aside for the moment that non-sexual plural marriages violate the very purpose of plural marriage as stated in D&C 132—to raise up righteous seed, I find it slightly hypocritical to hold that same sex marriages are immoral because they are not about procreation, while at the same time defending Joseph Smith’s “marriages” as moral by holding that they were not about procreation.

The Utah State legislature, 90% of whom are LDS,[xii] passed a law in 1996 allowing first cousins to marry if either they are over 65, or if they are over 55 provided that “either party is unable to reproduce.”[xiii] The Utah Legislature is not governed by the LDS Church (*stifled snicker*), but the fact that influential Mormons would pass a law in Utah that allows a marriage only on the condition that it is not about procreation, and that the LDS Church did not fight it, at least suggests that the Church’s justification for opposing same sex marriage on the grounds that it is not about procreation is not altogether genuine.

Furthermore, if it not being about procreation really is a moral objection to same sex marriage because it “decouple[s] marriage from its central role in creating life,” then surely the Church ought to be opposed to marriage for people who are infertile, or who indicate that they intend to remain childless, or for seniors who, like President and Sister Nelson, are past their childbearing years at the time of marriage. The fact that the Church does not fight such marriages casts some doubt on the assertion that they oppose same sex marriage on the grounds that it is not about procreation.

What if the Church is correct in their description of same sex marriage, that it decouples marriage from its central procreative role? That, in and of itself does nothing to detract from the value of those couples who have chosen to have children. Exactly nothing.

The Church is advertising its biases by claiming that its opposition to same sex marriage is rooted in it not being about procreation while at the same supporting other types of marriage that are no more about procreation than same sex couples.

A faithful member, when reading the above, might counter with the notion that those who marry late in life, or those who are infertile, will have perfected bodies in the resurrection, and thus be able procreate then. That’s as may be, but it is a private religious point of view, and churches ought not try to make those who do not share their privately held religious views conform to those views through legislation.

The essay goes on to state that “[a]nother purpose [for publishing the article] is to reaffirm that the Church has a single, undeviating standard of sexual morality: intimate relations are acceptable to God only between a husband and a wife who are united in the bonds of matrimony.” The Church went out of its way to try to deny marriage equality to our LGB brothers and sisters because it violated that “single, undeviating standard of morality.” If this is the real reason for the Church’s apoplectic response to marriage equality, then where is the equivalent fight to make pre-marital sex illegal? If there is, as they say, “a single, undeviating standard of morality,” then pre-marital sex is a moral and legal equivalent of same sex marriage. That conspicuous lack of a corresponding legal battle lays bare the lie that the Church only wants to hold its hetero and LGB members to the same standard of sexual morality.

The essay mentions one more potential harm: “As governments have legalized same-sex marriage as a civil right, they have also enforced a wide variety of other policies to ensure there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. These policies have placed serious burdens on individual conscience and on religious organizations.” It then lists off ways in which marriage equality requires people or organizations of faith to treat LGB’s that are contrary to said faith. If I may be so bold as to restate that in more common parlance, the essay is saying that being denied the right to discriminate against gays is itself a form of religious discrimination. Dallin H. Oaks has said so on other occasions.[xiv] This principle is clearly illustrated in the LDS Church endorsed “Utah compromise” law[xv] that says that it is wrong to discriminate against LGB’s unless doing so for religious reasons.

I find myself quite unsympathetic to this final alleged harm. I find it about as harmful to religious freedom as being forced to recognize the validity of interracial marriage. Sorry. No sympathy.

Finally, I’d like to suggest that even if the Church is holding LGB and hetero members to the same Law of Chastity, the lived experience of members means that the standard being upheld is very different. “Abstinence” is the correct term for what is required of hetero members, but it doesn’t quite capture what is required of the faithful LGB member. The faithful LGB members is required to commit to lifelong “celibacy,” with no chance of ever being able to fully express their sexuality. To illustrate consider a few elements of my heterosexual experience:

When I was 12, I would have a crush on the cute girl in social studies class. In so doing, did I violate God's law? Was I engaging in "sexual" behavior?

When I was 13 I would daydream about cute girls, wonder what sex was going to be like. Was that engaging in sexual behavior? Was that violating God's law?

When I was 14 I would go to church dances. I would ask the girls to dance with me. And I would be thrilled at the prospect of the slow dances. It was fun to “bear-hug,” and it was funny if a chaperone caught us, and insisted that we stayed “Book of Mormon width apart.” Was I violating the Law of Chastity? Sinning?

At 16 I would go on the occasional date. I would love to enjoy the company of a young lady my age. I thrilled at the prospect of holding her hand. And sneaking a cheeky kiss at the end of the night! Again, was it a violation of God's law? Was I engaging in sexual behavior? If my bishop found out, would he judge me harshly?

At 18 I had a steady girlfriend. She would sometimes accompany to my ward, sometimes I’d go to hers. At church we would hold hands. Before separating for Priesthood and Relief Society, I’d give her a quick kiss. Did anybody look at us with condemnation for unnatural or sinful behaviors?

I intended to marry that girlfriend, post mission. And truth be told, when I was 18 I rather wanted to have my wicked way with her. The debate about whether I should give in to temptation and then repent before the mission, or to muzzle that drive and abstain until marriage was a constant internal dialogue. I waited, by the way. In my bursting desire, had I violated any of God’s commands? Was there any doubt that I would be found “worthy” to serve a mission?

After doing a two-year mission for the Church, I was at a stake conference, I saw my future bride for the first time across a crowded room, and my heart skipped a beat. The moment I met her I thought to myself "I could spend the rest of my life with this woman!" While we dated I frequently thought of how wonderful it would be to make love to that beautiful woman. We didn't, we waited. But oh my heck! We thought about it and talked about it! (And we made our marriage work for a couple of decades). Did I need to repent? Was I violating God's law? Was I engaging in sexual behavior?

To all of the above questions, I hope the answer is an unambiguous, clear and resounding "NO!"

It was OK for me to hold hands with a girl at a church dance; how OK will it be for two boys or two girls to hold hands at a church dance? Everything I described above is perfectly acceptable for a hetero member, but denied to our LGB brothers and sisters. If I had not had those experiences growing up, my life would be the poorer. Not just a little bit. My life would be considerably emptier.

If the church is telling its LGB members that it forbids them from engaging in those same behaviors that were a necessary part of the formation of my personal identity, then I take with a grain of salt the claim that it holds gay members to the same standard. The lived experiences of hetero members practicing abstinence and LGB members practicing celibacy are worlds apart.

My heart aches for my gay brothers and sisters who are being denied those wonderful growing learning experiences.
[i] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/interview-oaks-wickman-same-gender-attraction Lattin, Don (April 13, 1997), "Musings of the Main Mormon: Gordon B. Hinckley, "president, prophet, seer and revelator: of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, sits at the top of one of the world's fastest-growing religions", San Francisco Chronicle, archived from the original on May 17, 2012 https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/the-divine-institution-of-marriage [ii] This was changed in 1990 to “sexual relations” [iii] A peripheral note—the Church did not historically hold faithful members to this standard as not a single plural marriage as practiced by the LDS Church was ever in a jurisdiction where it was legal. Every instance of plural marriage from the time of Joseph Smith until the time it was discontinued was a violation of the Law of Chastity, and legally was adultery. [iv] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/california-and-same-sex-marriage [v] https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15marriage.html [vi] Church Handbook of Instructions. Salt Lake City, Utah: LDS Church. 1998. Daniel Woodruff, "LDS church to exclude children of same-sex couples from membership", kutv.com, 6 November 2015. Cimaron Neugebauer, "LDS Church adds same-sex marriage to definition of apostasy", kutv.com, November 6, 2015. Walch, Tad (November 6, 2015). "Elder Christofferson explains updated LDS Church policies on same-sex marriage and children". Deseret News. Retrieved April 8, 2016. Tad Walch (November 13, 2015). "LDS Church provides additional information on handbook policies about same-sex couples and their children". Deseret News. Retrieved April 13, 2016. [vii] https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/2006/07/news-of-the-church/church-supports-call-for-constitutional-amendment?lang=eng https://www.religionnewsblog.com/14428/lds-church-supports-constitutional-amendment-for-marriage [viii] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/interview-oaks-wickman-same-gender-attraction [ix] https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Polyandry [x] https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Marriages_to_young_women [xi]https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Polyandry/Why_would_Joseph_Smith_be_sealed_to_other_men%27s_wives https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/katich-a-tale-of-two-marriage-systems.pdf [xii] https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 [xiii] https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title30/Chapter1/30-1-S1.html [xiv] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/oaks-religious-freedom [xv][xv] https://thinkprogress.org/utah-bill-would-ban-lgbt-discrimination-with-some-big-exceptions-767990f9a9fc/
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2020.02.06 00:03 CaptainRyuk Does anyone think the "racism" and other issues faced by a mixed person of a single identity tends to be overlooked (such as Chinese-Japanese hybrids, half Dutch and half German, children of different Arabic tribes, etc)?

An issue I've been wanting to talk about. For issues of simplicity I'll avoid bringing up Latin America which has its own issues about race such as how a mulatto Mexican will face discrimination despite being mostly Indian Mestizo simply for having some distant black blood from the 1400s or racism between Crios and Peninsularans.

For all this subreddit and other places on reddit and internet forums in general complain about racism a half Turkish half white person will face in Europe or how a white blonde blue eyed girl automatically face some discrimination in the Deep South when DNA reveals some black ancestry, I notice many places on the World Wide Web overlooks bigotry WITHIN a single race. Not just that but within a single religious group, national borders, and so much more.
For example in Japan and China being half Chinese and half Japanese can bring up a big lot of problems esp in conservative places or if you mingle among older generations. Its common to see accusations of being a Mongrel, a traitor, and face work discrimination (even some physical assaults) because of ancestry from both countries. I even seen Chinese grandparents disown a grand child and her baby simply because she fell in love with a Japanese man and some incidents of even infanticide in Hokkaido and other backwards part of Japan.
It even extends to the United States where legal disownment have taken place in the past such as Irish parents disowning a son for marrying and Italian daughter and to this day Asians still face problems with interracial dating between Koreans and Indonesian and even some ethnic divisions back at homes such as Tibetan Chinese marrying Mandarin Chinese can lead to outcast from family.
I'm mostly of German descent and when I visited my ancestral hometown in Germany, I was surprised to see racist like behaviors towards Germans from other regions as my relatives brought along German friends they made from Berlin in the trip. As soon as they revealed they were from Bavaria and other regions, people in the Northern German town family came from as far as the 1800s started treating them like second class citizens. When I revealed I came from ancestry from other nearby German regions, they didn't show any snobbery but treated me like equals as though I was a native born German!
There are still soccer riots based on racism between Italians to this day, older generations of Dutch try to avoid Germans and there are controversies about marriage between Dutch Germans, and the Irish still face some snobbery in the UK. In rural parts of England assaults have even taken place for being Irish and thats not facing bullying immigrants faced (which Pierce Brosnan attests to in biographies). Just a little over 20 years ago a big genocide happened in Yugoslavia between ethnic groups that are all white and 100% Europeans and to this day racism is sitll bad enough that you can be jumped in parts of Croatia for being Serbed or assaulted by a shephard's cane in Yugoslavia for being Bosnian (esp from the wrong religion) as well as being Albanian. Despite Yugoslavia being a white European nation that traditionally was a hotbed of opposition towards Muslim invaders like the Ottomans.

Among Arab immigrants there were problems that occur because of tribal ancestry. This is a big problem in France and Germany and back at home in Turkey having more "white Muslim blood" (being of Greek descent and even passing for white) is something that the Turkish government is still trying to resolve. Some of the recent Secularism vs Islam issues in Turkey is quite directly related to regional and ethnic strifes in the country.

Don't get me started on black people where many recent wars are because of racism between African tribes and the recent genocide against Tutsi, and even clashes between Jamaicans and African Americans that can reach racist-like treatments!

I notice all this is ignored in this subreddit. How come? Can we start bringing up more attention on racism within one race? I mean among Asian Americans it can get pretty bad enough that in California gang wars break out and even among the extremely mixed Hispanics you see gang violence based on country of origin. In the case of Mexican even based on caste birth or ethnic group and even regional origin back at home such as Indios vs Mestizo gang or 3rd generation American Yucatan Mexicans brawling with Mexican immigrants from Pacific Coastal Plains.

It'd be interesting to see more discussion based on this esp since many 1st generation immigrants and even some races such as Asians (down to the 10th generation Americans) take these racist behaviors back at home very seriously in America!
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2020.01.14 10:20 subreddit_stats Subreddit Stats: wikipedia posts from 2019-11-01 to 2020-01-13 07:06 PDT

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  1. 21590 points, 35 submissions: Tokyono
    1. When Alexander the Great’s dearest friend Hephaestion died, Alexander threw him a lavish funeral worth around £1,500,000,000. He also had a 60-metre-high pyre commissioned, with 7 layers of golden objects. Hephaestion was also worshipped as a divine hero. Shrines were erected in his memory. (1601 points, 128 comments)
    2. Miki Endo, a Japanese emergency worker who gave her life during the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami, by continuing to broadcast warnings and alerts over the community loudspeaker as the tsunami overwhelmed the town of Minamisanriku. She was credited with saving many lives. (1540 points, 12 comments)
    3. During the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, a 10-year-old girl named Tilly Smith helped save lives by recognising the signs of an oncoming tsunami at a beach. 2 weeks earlier, she had learned about them in a geography lesson. The beach was one of few on Phuket with no reported casualties (1400 points, 34 comments)
    4. In 1890, two lawyers wrote an article titled “The Right to Privacy". It is regarded as the first publication in the USA that advocated a right to privacy. It describes the right as the "right to be let alone".) (1127 points, 50 comments)
    5. Karl P. Schmidt, a herpetologist who documented his own death after he was bitten by a juvenile boomslang snake. He made detailed notes on the symptoms he experienced, almost right up to the end. He died 24 hours after the bite, bleeding in his lungs, kidneys, heart, and brain. (1100 points, 21 comments)
    6. The Inca Road system was at least 40,000 kilometres (25,000 mi) long. The roads were carefully planned and maintained. They were paved where necessary, had stairways, bridges and constructions such as retaining walls and a drainage system. Only 25% of the system remains visible today. (1100 points, 43 comments)
    7. When the HMS Guardian was struck by an iceberg in 1789, its captain decided to remain on board with 62 people. 259 left in boats. However, the captain was able to save the ship and sail back to land. It took 9 weeks, but everyone on the ship made it. Of the 259 that had left, only 15 survived.) (1095 points, 21 comments)
    8. The Hays code had a rule only allowing kissing to go on for 3 seconds in movies. Alfred Hitchcock got around this rule for his 1946 film, Notorious, by two actors break off every three seconds. The whole sequence lasts two and a half minutes. (1042 points, 20 comments)
    9. In 1687, the Parthenon in Athens exploded when it was hit by a Venetian mortar round. The building was being used by the Ottoman Turks to store gunpowder, and the round blew it up. One account says the Turks did not expect the Venetians to target such a historic monument. 300 people died. (992 points, 28 comments)
    10. Pedro Rodrigues Filho, a Brazilian serial killer who killed other criminals. He even killed his father, as payback for him having murdered his mother. After 34 years in jail, he was released. He was imprisoned again, but is now a youtuber who advises young people away from crime. (967 points, 37 comments)
  2. 5265 points, 13 submissions: blue_strat
    1. Christian socialism based on the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth identifies the cause of inequality now to be greed associated with capitalism. The 4th-Century bishop Basil of Caesarea wrote a sermon called The Rich Fool in which he asked, "Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough." (1215 points, 321 comments)
    2. The Gospel of Wealth is an 1889 article by the industrialist Andrew Carnegie which urges philanthropy by the new upper class of self-made rich. He argues against wasteful extravagance or self-indulgence, encourages reducing inequality between the rich and poor, and praises high inheritance taxes. (1157 points, 64 comments)
    3. Israel Shahak (1933–2001) was an Israeli professor of organic chemistry, Holocaust survivor, and civil rights activist. His public support for a secular state, criticism of Jewish fundamentalism and reporting on the persecution of non-Jewish people by the Israeli government earned him death threats. (1017 points, 11 comments)
    4. "Three men make a tiger" (Chinese: 三人成虎; pinyin: sān rén chéng hǔ) is a Chinese proverb or chengyu (four-character idiom). It refers to an individual's tendency to accept absurd information as long as it is repeated by enough people. (785 points, 21 comments)
    5. Wellington R. Burt (1831–1919) was a lumber baron and politician from Saginaw, Michigan. His will specified to wait 21 years after his children and grandchildren were dead, beyond small annuities he also paid to staff. After the 1989 death of his last grandchild, 12 descendants shared $100 million. (571 points, 30 comments)
    6. The Reichskonkordat is a treaty negotiated between the Vatican and the emergent Nazi Germany, signed on 20 July 1933. It's been described by some as a Roman Catholic attempt to give moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime, though Nazi breaches of the agreement began almost as soon as it had been signed. (312 points, 42 comments)
    7. Robert Skidelsky (b. 1939) is a British economic historian and author of a three-part biography of J.M. Keynes. First a Labour Party member, he co-founded the Social Democratic Party, sat in the House of Lords as a Conservative then a cross-bencher, and endorsed Jeremy Corbyn for leader of Labour. (97 points, 2 comments)
    8. The Hanseatic League was a confederation of merchant guilds and market towns in northwestern and central Europe. From a few north German towns in the late 1100s to dominating Baltic maritime trade for 300 years, its trading routes stretched from England to Russia; the busiest from London to Hamburg. (35 points, 3 comments)
    9. Sit-in street protests called the Umbrella Revolution (雨傘革命) occurred in Hong Kong from September to December 2014, in reaction to a decision which allowed the Chinese Communist Party to pre-screen candidates for the Chief Executive of Hong Kong. Genuine universal suffrage had been promised in law. (26 points, 0 comments)
    10. List of the oldest known surviving free-standing buildings, before and including the Colosseum of Rome in 70–80 CE. The oldest three are in France and date from 4850–4500 BCE. (19 points, 1 comment)
  3. 3631 points, 18 submissions: Rollakud
    1. René Descartes was a French philosopher, mathematician, and scientist. One of the most notable intellectual figures of the Dutch Golden Age, Descartes is also widely regarded as one of the founders of modern philosophy. (727 points, 54 comments)
    2. Byron Looper was a Republican politician. In order to advance his political career, he legally changed his middle name from "Anthony" to "Low Tax". After being convicted for the October 1998 murder of his election opponent, incumbent Senator Tommy Burks, he was given a life sentence in prison. (672 points, 16 comments)
    3. Ros Serey Sothea was a Cambodian singer. She sang in a variety of genres; romantic ballads emerged as her most popular works. She disappeared during the Khmer Rouge regime of the late 1970s but the circumstances of her fate remain a mystery. (601 points, 27 comments)
    4. Jodi Huisentruit was a television news anchor for KIMT, based in Mason City, Iowa, in the United States. She went missing in the early morning hours of June 27, 1995, soon after telling a colleague that she was on her way to work. (518 points, 21 comments)
    5. Edward Low was a notorious English pirate during the latter days of the Golden Age of Piracy, in the early 18th century. The New York Times called him a torturer, whose methods would have "done credit to the ingenuity of the Spanish Inquisition in its darkest days". (487 points, 6 comments)
    6. Location hypotheses of Atlantis are various proposed real-world settings for the fictional island of Atlantis, described as a lost civilization mentioned in Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias, written about 360 B.C. (400 points, 27 comments)
    7. Luke Short was an American Old West gunfighter, cowboy, U.S. Army scout, dispatch rider, gambler, boxing promoter and saloon owner. He survived numerous gunfights, the most famous of which were against Charlie Storms in Tombstone, Arizona Territory and against Jim Courtright in Fort Worth, Texas. (67 points, 1 comment)
    8. Daisy and Violet Hilton were English entertainers, who were conjoined twins. They were exhibited in Europe as children, and toured the United States sideshow, vaudeville and American burlesque circuits in the 1920s and 1930s. (63 points, 4 comments)
    9. John Singer Sargent was an American expatriate artist, considered the "leading portrait painter of his generation" for his evocations of Edwardian-era luxury. He created roughly 900 oil paintings and more than 2,000 watercolors, as well as countless sketches and charcoal drawings. (16 points, 1 comment)
    10. Sharon Rina Lopatka was an Internet entrepreneur in Hampstead, Maryland, United States, who was killed in a case of apparent consensual homicide. (15 points, 1 comment)
  4. 2664 points, 8 submissions: nsfwdreamer
    1. The Burj Khalifa cost only $US 1.5 billion because workers were only paid around 5 pounds per day. (1185 points, 75 comments)
    2. "In 2002, Bembenek either fell or jumped from a second-story window, breaking her leg so badly that it had to be amputated below the knee.[38] Bembenek claimed that she had been confined in an apartment by handlers for the Dr. Phil television show and was injured while attempting to escape." (498 points, 6 comments)
    3. "Heidnik was one of six real-life murderers upon whom author Thomas Harris based Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb, the villain of his 1988 novel The Silence of the Lambs.[26][27]" (334 points, 15 comments)
    4. "After the original natural grass playing surface died, the Astrodome became the first major sports venue to install artificial turf, which became known as AstroTurf." (246 points, 2 comments)
    5. ""Come Together" started as Lennon's attempt to write a song for Timothy Leary's campaign for governor of California against Ronald Reagan, which promptly ended when Leary was sent to prison for possession of marijuana:[5]" (213 points, 6 comments)
    6. "Originally titled "Brown-Skinned Girl",[11] Morrison changed it to "Brown Eyed Girl" when he recorded it. Morrison remarked on the title change: "That was just a mistake. It was a kind of Jamaican song. Calypso. It just slipped my mind [that] I changed the title."[12]" (98 points, 5 comments)
    7. "Franklin, according to his later account, used a Ruger .44 caliber semi-automatic rifle[16] to ambush Hustler publisher Larry Flynt in Lawrenceville, Georgia. In his confession, Franklin said this was in retaliation for an edition of Hustler displaying interracial sex.[7]" (63 points, 0 comments)
    8. "OneCoin is a Ponzi scheme[1][2] promoted as a cryptocoin with a private blockchain, by offshore companies OneCoin Ltd (Dubai) and OneLife Network Ltd (Belize), both founded by Ruja Ignatova in concert with Sebastian Greenwood.[3]" (27 points, 1 comment)
  5. 2386 points, 21 submissions: slinkslowdown
    1. Metamathematics is the study of mathematics itself using mathematical methods. This study produces metatheories, which are mathematical theories about other mathematical theories. (712 points, 47 comments)
    2. On December 6, 1989, Marc Lépine entered a mechanical engineering class at the École Polytechnique. He stated that he was "fighting feminism" and shot the women. Lépine then moved through corridors, the cafeteria, and another classroom, targeting women for 20 minutes before killing himself. (603 points, 77 comments)
    3. Aphantasia is a condition where one does not possess a functioning mind's eye and cannot voluntarily visualize imagery. (518 points, 84 comments)
    4. Cats and the Internet: Images and videos of domestic cats make up some of the most viewed content on the web, particularly image macros in the form of lolcats. ThoughtCatalog has described cats as the "unofficial mascot of the Internet". (214 points, 4 comments)
    5. List of last words: ""Ow, fuck!" Roald Dahl "I have not told half of what I saw." Maco Polo "I am mortally wounded … I think." Stephen Decatur (132 points, 6 comments)
    6. Voyager 1 is expected to reach the theorized Oort cloud in about 300 years. In about 40,000 years, it will pass within 1.6 light-years of the star Gliese 445, which is at present in the constellation Camelopardalis. (41 points, 3 comments)
    7. The 1927 Liberian general election: The elections were referred to as "the most rigged ever". Despite there being fewer than 15,000 registered voters, one candidate received around 243,000 votes. (37 points, 2 comments)
    8. Christine Chubbuck was an American television news reporter and the first person to commit suicide on a live television broadcast. A week before her suicide, she told Rob Smith, the night news editor, that she had bought a gun and joked about killing herself on air. (28 points, 2 comments)
    9. A cancer syndrome is a genetic disorder in which inherited genetic mutations predispose the affected individuals to the development of cancers and may also cause the early onset of these cancers. (21 points, 0 comments)
    10. The egg and wine diet is a fad diet that advocated the consumption of 3-5 eggs per day plus a 24-oz bottle of wine. (15 points, 4 comments)
  6. 2028 points, 20 submissions: Pupikal
    1. There have been several cases of exploding whales, both from gas buildup and actual explosives. Oregon used 20 cases of dynamite to dispose of a whale, showering a great area with blubber. In Taiwan, a carcass being transported spontaneously combusted, spraying whale across storefronts and people. (735 points, 17 comments)
    2. Bazooka (instrument): The bazooka is a brass musical instrument several feet in length which incorporates telescopic tubing like the trombone. It is an extension of the word "bazoo," slang for "mouth" or "boastful talk." The anti-tank weapon got its name from its resemblance to the instrument. (506 points, 14 comments)
    3. The Public Universal Friend was an American preacher born in Cumberland, Rhode Island. The Friend suffered a severe illness in 1776 and reported having died and been reanimated as a genderless evangelist named the Public Universal Friend, and afterward shunned both birth name and gendered pronouns. (413 points, 20 comments)
    4. Ytterby, Sweden: Ytterby is perhaps most famous for being the single richest source of elemental discoveries in the world; the chemical elements yttrium (Y), ytterbium (Yb), erbium (Er) and terbium (Tb) are all named after Ytterby. (142 points, 8 comments)
    5. Stephen Hopkins, Governor of Rhode Island and a founding father of the United States: He signed the Declaration of Independence in the summer of 1776 with worsening palsy in his hands. He signed it by holding his right hand with his left and saying, "My hand trembles, but my heart does not." (68 points, 0 comments)
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    10. Operation London Bridge: Codename for the plan for what will happen in the days after the death of Queen Elizabeth II. The plan was originally devised in the 1960s and is updated several times each year. (9 points, 0 comments)
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    8. Involvement of the United States in regime change in Latin America most commonly involved US backed Coup 'd' etats aimed at replacing left-wing leaders with right-wing, usually military and authoritarian regimes. (24 points, 0 comments)
    9. Secretary of Defense Mark Esper was vice president of government relations at Raytheon, a major U.S. defense contractor. During his time at Raytheon, Esper was recognized as a top corporate lobbyist by The Hill in 2015 and 2016. (18 points, 1 comment)
    10. The Great Pacific garbage patch is a gyre of marine debris particles in the north central Pacific Ocean. Despite the common public perception of the patch existing as giant islands of floating rubbish, its low density prevents detection by satellite imagery, or even by casual boaters or divers. (18 points, 0 comments)

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2019.12.18 22:07 WorkingHapa A Threatened Manhood? Exploring the Myth of the Angry Asian Male (February of 2000)

A Threatened Manhood? Exploring the myth of the angry Asian male By Joyce Nishioka
On Friday night U.C. Berkeley’s fraternity row whirls with activities. Music beats from within the houses, echoing out into the dark streets while women wearing tight tank tops -- despite the January chill -- prowl the scene. Lambda Phi Epsilon house sits on Warring Street, overshadowed by the more impressive two-story frat houses that surround it. But red, blinking lights strung across its awning, the murmur of chatter, and the sounds of pulsating music indicate a party.
Inside, beer is plentiful. Young, testosterone-driven men, wearing hip-hop style, baggy jeans and loose T-shirts or “wife-beaters” scurry to prepare for the mob expected to arrive after 10 p.m. The women, not quite relaxed yet, keep to themselves on one side of the room, while the guys check them out. But in a few hours -- once the beer kicks in -- the sexes will mingle, couples will find each other, and temporary bonds will form.
The scene is a familiar one for Cal’s elite fraternity society, in which white males comprise the majority of brothers in the campus’ 38 sponsored fraternities, despite the university’s 40-percent Asian American enrollment.
At Lambda Phi Epsilon, however, all the members are Asian American. And on Friday, none of the party-goers cross that color line. Korean American Raymond Kim, who helped organize the party, says that when it comes to coupling up, only Asian women will do. And up until a couple years ago, when he saw an Asian woman with a white man, his instinctive reaction was “sell-out.”
“It’s definitely harder for an Asian male to date a white female than for Asian females to date white males,” Kim says. “Asian males are not portrayed as masculine, whereas Asian females are stereotyped as submissive, exotic.”
The 22-year-old thinks that Asian American women in general have an easier time assimilating into the mainstream. While interviewing for a job with a consulting company, Kim, a senior, says that out of 60 finalists for employment, 15 Asian American women made the cut -- he’s the only Asian man. “In the first round, there were a lot of Asian males. White males would prefer hiring and working with Asian females over Asian males.”
During his freshman year, Kim dated a white woman. The relationship gained him respect from his Asian American male friends, he says, admitting that one of the reasons he went out with her “was a status thing.” And up until a couple years ago, he was impressed when he saw Asian man with a white woman. “I thought, ‘all right, he’s got a white girlfriend.’”
Fellow Lambda brother Kelvin Lin, 22, also prefers to date Asian American women. He notices subtle differences in how Asian women are treated as opposed to their white counterparts, especially by his non-Asian American peers. When he goes to clubs with his white friends, Lin says, he notices they’re more confident with Asian women, and their comments tend to have more sexual connotations.
“When they see an Asian girl, they say things like, ‘I want to get with her,’” Lin explains. “But when they see a Caucasian woman, they make more subtle comments like, ‘Oh, she’s pretty.’”
Though Lin feels uneasy when he sees an Asian woman dating a white man, he says he feels “guilty “ for judging the relationship based on stereotypes and his past experiences. Now, he tries not to be so critical. “As long as the guy is treating her right, I have no problem with interracial dating,” Lin concludes.
‘Asian women are sexualized, men are desexualized and neutered’
Not all Asian American males are that understanding, however. Curtiss Takada Rooks, an assistant professor of Asian American Studies at San Jose State University, says there is a sense of Asian American male frustration as Asian American women continue to outmarry at higher rates than Asian American men, and media bombards society with images of Asian men as either “stern and misogynist” or “effeminate and nerdy.”
“Asian American male frustration is not a myth,” Rooks says. “The frustration, however, is not so much based on marrying out, but rather on the reason women are marrying out. Asian American men feel dismissed by Asian American women, not for who they are, but for what society says they are.”
Social scientists who have studied this phenomenon have found that Asian American women are, in fact, more likely to outmarry. The most recent statistics from the 1990 Census show that Asian American women are almost twice as likely to outmarry than Asian American men. In California, 7.7 percent of the males were married to whites, compared to 16.2 percent of the women.
“That is a huge difference,” says Larry Shinagawa, an Asian American studies professor at Sonoma State University. “Asian men tend to marry inter-ethnically; second- and third- generation men tend to marry first- and second-generation women.”
But those statistics don’t tell the whole story. What Shinagawa and others are also finding is that the outmarriage gap between U.S.-born men and women is closing.
Indeed, statistics in California show18.9 percent of native-born Asian American males were married to white females, whereas 24.8 percent of native-born Asian American females were married to white males. Nationwide, U.S-born American males were more than four times as likely as foreign-born Asian males to outmarry.
More and more, the outmarriage issue is forcing discussions, calling into question race, purity and the changing definition of what it is to be Asian American, says Rooks.
“Asian American males, trying to find their place in this changing society, are impacted by external factors,” he elaborates.
“This is not simply an Asian American male versus female issue. It becomes a family and community issue; the community has to deal with their own prejudices and recognize the community is changing.
“Asian American females and males need to discuss these issues, understanding each other’s strengths rather than emphasizing the weaknesses derived from mainstream images.”
Historically, anti-Asian laws, while robbing all Chinese Americans of their dignity, have dealt a particularly hard blow to men. The Exclusion Act in the 1870s and early 20th century, for example, prevented Chinese laborers from bringing their wives to the United States. By 1900, it is estimated that men outnumbered women by 26 to 1; Chinatowns were bachelor societies, where often men gambled and visited prostitutes. In the media, the Asian immigrants were labeled the “yellow peril” -- a marginalized group characterized as having perverted lifestyles and lacking family values.
Negative media images followed. In 1929, the English author Sax Rohmer wrote the The Mysterious Dr. Fu Manchu, characterizing Asians as villains. Meanwhile, Asian females were often paired with white males in such productions as Madame Butterfly, Sayonara and The World of Suzie Wong -- wrote Doobo Shim in 1998.
Gender differences often determine how Asian Americans interpret these images. Shinagawa gives the example of The Joy Luck Club, a movie he shows to his Asian American students. He says women in his class tend to view the film as a mother-daughter bonding movie, whereas the men are often disturbed by its “myopic view of Chinese men. Asian American men are sick of that movie. It presents the men in such jaded ways, as only concentrating on money,” explains Shinagawa.
“Comparatively, Asian women are sexualized; men are desexualized and neutered,” says filmmaker Steven Okazaki, who wrote and produced American Sons, a movie that examines Asian American masculinity. “These characters have very offensive effects on Asian men and women and on how others see Asian men. We’re in a more enlightened era, yet a lot of those negative images are out there, offensive stereotypes of buck-toothed, nerdy variations. These haven’t changed. To give Asian men hearts and souls and sexuality is threatening in this culture.”
mating habits
These stereotypes created by mainstream society and media, Rooks says, impact the way people, including Asian American women, view Asian males.
“Many Asian males think women are not dating them because they are judged based on stereotypes they can’t control,” Rooks explains, “and that white males are going out with Asian females because of stereotypes that they are exotic and skilled in the sexual arts, rather than for who they are as individuals.”
Rooks’ Asian American male students have said that they’ve been rejected by Asian American women who complain that Asian males “aren’t spontaneous; they don’t laugh; they aren’t tall,” according to Rooks. “Asian men start questioning their identity. They’re asking themselves why they can’t get a date, ‘Is it because I’m Japanese American, Korean American, because of the negative stereotypes, or because I’m a jerk?’”
There’s also a feeling that women are “marrying up and out,” Rooks says. Gordon Milton, who published Assimilation in American Life in 1964, believed intermarriage signified assimilation, as subordinate groups adopted the dominate groups’ culture.
“Conservative theory of the 1960s and ‘70s said that women outmarried as part of the assimilation process,” Rooks says. “Women move first by marrying the men who have the power to marry those they conquer.”
“This isn’t an Asian male society. Whites have access to any sexual relationship they wish,” says Shinagawa, who gives the example of his sister-in-law who was recently approached by a white male. First the man said to her ‘Konichi-wa’ [hello in Japanese]. After getting no response, he said, ‘Ahn young ha sae yo’ [hello in Korean]. She finally felt obliged to say, ‘Oh, that’s good.’ And he immediately talked on and on to her.
“Asian American women get used to that,” Shinagawa says. “I’ve heard variations of this story told over and over by different women. That’s white privilege, being able to look at color, language, race and not the person.
“What if my [Asian American] student sees a good-looking white woman and asks her, ‘Are you English? German? Italian?’ It would be totally out of context. He would have no privilege to do that.”
‘What’s wrong with me?’
Sam Lau, 26, has witnessed that privileged mentality. While a student at University of Wisconsin, he met a few white men who he believes had Asian fetishes. “They didn’t care about the girls’ looks as long as they had long hair and were petite.”
Lau says some of these men would go to extreme measures to meet Asian women.
“I took some Japanese and Chinese classes,” Lau continues. “A lot of white people take those classes because they are interested in the language and culture -- but mainly as a means to meet the women.”
Lau even knew of one man who worked in a bar patronized mainly by Asian Americans so he could meet women.
“I got the feeling it was borderline stalking,” Lau says. “To see them in action is kind of freaky. You see it in their eyes when they look at Asian girls. They see an Asian girl and they perk up.”
Lau, himself, has dated non-Asian women. Growing up, he didn’t know any Asians except for his family and family friends. Later on, however, he found he had more in common with Asian American women. When dating one white woman, he felt a particularly strong cultural gap.
“Asians hold family in higher regard,” Lau says. “When my grandfather got sick I stayed at home more and spent less time with her. She complained, saying I hardly knew my grandfather. But he was my mother’s dad. I wanted to be there for my mom. She couldn’t understand that.”
Now living in California, he has become friends with many Asian Americans, who, he says, “have problems” with Asian women dating white men.
“A lot of Asian guys feel they can’t get white girls because they wouldn’t find them attractive,” Lau says. “When the guys see Asian girls who only like white guys, it makes them feel shitty.
“I can see where they’re coming from. There are some guys who are at the stage where they’re wondering, ‘What’s wrong with me?’”
the standard is white
At 5’ 10” and with what he calls “white features,” Phil Chow does not consider himself an average-looking Asian guy. In fact, more than a few people -- both Chinese and white -- have assumed he is Eurasian. But whenever Chow is rejected by an Asian woman, he suspects it’s because he’s Chinese.
“I always seem to meet attractive Asian women who turn me down for stereotypical reasons,” Chow reasons.
Chow, who is Canadian, didn’t realize he had a unique look, however, until he was in college. The turning point, he says, came on the day he went to eat at a Vietnamese-French restaurant.
“I noticed the waitresses staring at me,” Chow says. “One came over to take my order and asked if I were a Westerner.”
Amused, he went back to the dorms and told some of his fellow students. “They thought I was part white, too. It was the first time I realized people thought I was half.”
But his “white features” haven’t helped him get dates. Most of the Asian women he meets would rather date white men, Chow says. Six years ago he dated a Chinese woman who admitted to him that she “didn’t go out with Chinese men because they weren’t tall enough.”
“I told her she was bull-shitting, that not being tall enough was an excuse,” Chow says. “I told her she was ashamed of being Asian.
“She said, ‘Well, you guys have small penises.’
“I said, ‘You have pancake tits.’
“Then she said, ‘I bet you haven’t gone out with a white woman.’ When I told her I had, she looked at me and said, ‘Yeah, I guess you could go out with a white woman.’
“She implied the standard is white. If you’re attractive enough to go out with a white woman, you’ve made it,” Chow says, explaining that because he looks white, the woman thought it was more credible that he had dated white women.
But that wasn’t the last disastrous date with an Asian woman. Last summer, Chow went out with another Chinese woman who told him she didn’t want to continue the relationship because he was too quiet.
“I was quiet growing up, but once I got to college I gained more confidence,” Chow says. “I was wondering if it was just an excuse. Her last boyfriend was white and I thought she turned me down because she prefers white men.”
Chow has also dated white women, but they treat him as the “exception” -- good-looking enough to date, he explains. “I’ve dispelled some of their assumptions about Asian men. Most were uncomfortable to go out with Asian men. But because I look part white, I’m marginally accepted. But I have conflicting feelings because I’m Chinese and proud of it.”
Much of what Chow calls his insecurity stems from his upbringing in a working-class neighborhood in Victoria, Canada. In junior high school, as the only Asian, Chow said he was the target of racial epithets and attacks. To escape the torment, Chow transferred to a high school with a larger Asian population, but by that time, he says, he already had low self esteem.
“I was quiet from the 6th to 10th grades,” Chow remembers. “I thought the other Chinese students would be like me, but they didn’t get picked on like me. My personality was already set -- I was a loner, quieter than the average Chinese.”
breaking stereotypes
Lambda fraternity brothers Kim and Lin never experienced that kind of insecurity. Kim went to a high school in Cerritos, Calif., where he estimates 60 percent of the student body was Asian American. Lin attended a predominately white and Asian high school in Santa Monica, Calif. Both excelled in sports. Lin bench presses 300 pounds. “I’m comfortable with my body image,” he says.
Kim played baseball in high school. He recalls that when his mostly-minority team competed, they had to prove themselves. “The other teams would be like, ‘Who are these guys?’” says Kim. But that type of confrontation drove him. “I love breaking stereotypes.”
On Friday, both Lin and Kim stand outside the entrance to Lambda Phi Epsilon’s house, guarding against uninvited intruders. Inside, petite girls with long, black hair dance on tables. Strobe lights flutter -- and the night is still young. “A party without girls would be pointless,” says Kim, who adds he doesn’t know how many couples will get together later on in the night. “Most of us know each other here so we try to keep things behind closed doors.”
Kim and Lin appear confident in their identities and have grown to appreciate the diversity within the Asian American community.
“Now, I’m happy,” Kim says. “Some women who prefer to date white males grew up in all white neighborhoods and adopted their culture. They don’t see themselves as Asian. I try to understand. College has been a real eye-opening experience.”
Through Lambda, Kim says he has gotten to know Asian Americans from many different ethnic backgrounds. Similarly, Lin says he’s dated all different types of Asian Americans, including Vietnamese, Laotian, Chinese and Korean women.
The two are representative of a larger trend, in which more Asian Americans are dating and marrying inter-ethnically. In fact, from 1980 to 1990, marriages between Asian Americans of different ethnic backgrounds have doubled from 11 percent to 21 percent, according to a 1998 study.
“There’s been a notable increase in inter-ethnic marriages, in part because younger generations have a sense of ownership of their Asian American identities,” say San Jose State University professor Rooks. “And there are more venues to reach each other across the lines of each Asian American group. They recognize a cultural comfort despite ethnic differences.”
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2019.12.05 12:51 onz456 Why Greg /Onision will definitely be put in jail...

Two things you have to realise first:

Now does Greg have a cult?
Kai will definetly go to prison. If they can show that Greg has a major influence over him, then they'll get Greg too. It is even possible that he spends more time in prison than Kai. (Kai/Laney is a lot younger than Greg, a minor when they started dating, just 18 when they married, isolated from hehis parents, etc...)

Other things they could have on Greg:
Although the law was created to stop forced sexual slavery of women, the most common use of the Mann Act was to prosecute men for having sex with underage females.[4] The phrase "immoral purpose" in the statute allowed an extremely broad application of the law following the United States Supreme Court ruling in Caminetti v. United States (1917), which held that "illicit fornication", even when consensual, constituted an "immoral purpose."
In addition to its stated purpose of preventing human trafficking, the law was used to prosecute unlawful premarital, extramarital, and interracial relationships. The penalties would be applied to men whether or not the woman involved consented



*eg: : Chris mentioning cults: Ayallah interview, at TS=41:40: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo_E5hn5yH0&t=2507

Edits:
- Added link to Sarah's testimony of sex in front of minors.
- Added link to the Mann Act on wikipedia.
- Added correction: Kai was 18 when he (she at the time) married Greg
- Added example under * of Chris mentioning cults.
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2019.11.01 02:13 ryu289 Homophobes think they are compassionate when really, they are not...

https://donotlink.it/Z55Me
"Typically, a boy “misbonds” with his father before he’s five and bonds to a female that is usually his mother. Then other boys sense his effeminate behavior and humiliate and reject him. And often, a homophile (homosexual pedophile), plays on the boy’s father-hunger and offers the lonely, misdeveloped boy, “love” and acceptance. The gay lifestyle is the psychological equivalent of a broken bone that wasn’t set correctly before knitting itself back together."
Really? When they call someone daddy, it is a slang term...you idiot. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Daddy
"The Stockholm (syndrome) homosexual, who was seduced and/or graduated into homosexuality by another, almost-always-older, male. The Effeminate homosexual who over-relates to women, usually due to a cruel or passive or absent father, and/or an overbearing mother. The Spotlight homosexual who’s rebelling against manlaw and loves the attention and drama that homoantagonism brings. The Vagiphobe homosexual who’s terrified of girls/women, usually due to older-female-on-younger-male sexual or physical or emotional abuse. And finally, the rarest division of all, the Normalphobe homosexual, who is without any outward signs of homosexuality and doesn’t need or want attention, but just can’t stand being sexually normal. Every homosexual is in at least one, but usually two, of these five divisions. (The ultra-rare "neuralgay" man, who became a homosexual after a brain injury, doesn't get his own division since he became an Effeminate homosexual.)"
Homosexuals are abused because they are feminine to begin with. brainblogger.com/2016/11/21/homosexuality-link-to-child-sex-abuse-confirmed-gend https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3289524/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31104337
Gender noncomformity is a sign of children being gay...and it doesn't come an abusive home.
https://www.lehmiller.com/blog/2019/6/3/ten-sexual-orientation-myths-debunked-by-science
Please explain the brains of homosexuals: overthebrainbow.com/blog/2017/1/7/wired-this-way-sexual-orientation-and-gender-in-the-brain
"I can hear it now... “My sister can’t have kids and we’re two consenting adults, why can’t we marry?"
Fuck you that's why: https://daleyeagerdotcom.wordpress.com/2018/06/02/incest-and-the-lgbt-community-the-david-epstein-case/
"The gay community has no right to redefine marriage, which should be between one man and one woman who; were born male or female, love each other, share the same religion and/or values, and aren’t relatives by blood or marriage."
Oh? Then explain polygamy and forced marriage in the bible: http://aws.hackingchristianity.net/wp-content/files/biblical_marriage_chart.jpg
Yeah you redefine marriage by ignoring these!
"How can one twin be born gay and the other straight when they’re genetically identical? Less than 1 pair out of 8 pairs (11%) of identical twin adult males are both homosexual, and less than 1 pair out of 6 pairs (14%) of identical twin adult females are both lesbians."
Sigh. You are conflating genotype with phenotype good sir: https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/twins/ If anything, this is a massive confirmation of homosexuality: https://www.reddit.com/atheism/comments/2qz8x5/eight_major_identical_twin_studies_prove/
"The two minor categories are; the “Butch”/masculine lesbian, who’s decided to live her life as a man due to her appearance, rugged personality, and masculine/protective nature. (Most of these come from fatherless homes.) And the “Femme”/feminine lesbian, who usually doesn’t believe that the human male is capable of the kindness, compassion, or empathy of the human female, and/or wants a penis-free “man.”" Really? https://www.itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/12/reasons-people-believe-feminism-hates-men/ Fuck you. You conflate political lesbianism with other lesbians: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_lesbianism "Except for the very, very, very few that are born sterile, nature doesn’t do that. And, when someone is born sterile, we know that something has gone wrong. Nature is, very obviously, dedicated to the reproduction of all species of life. So why would nature create a life form with 300,000,000,000,000 cells and remove that life form’s attraction to the opposite sex which is necessary for the propagation of the species?" Kin selection and alloparenting: https://www.quora.com/If-homosexuality-is-innate-genetic-how-has-it-survived-evolutionary-selection-given-that-a-homosexual-couple-produces-no-offspring-Wouldnt-an-evolution-based-standpoint-argue-that-homosexuality-is-developmental/answeJames-Pitt-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0105-9 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/147470491301100202
"What about the media-ignored, ex-gay community like Voice of the Voiceless? Also, the entertainer Little Richard is a former homosexual and a man named Steven Bennett, who is also a former homosexual, is the head pastor of a church that reaches out to the glbt community called Steven Bennett Ministries. Wasn’t Anne Heche “gay” for a time and now a mother in a true marriage? Then there’s Restored Hope Network, a ministry that’s full of formerly “gay” people. Also, I’ve personally known (not just known of) three men that were once homosexuals and aren’t anymore."
Oh? What about all the failures and suicides? http://homoresponse.blogspot.com/2011/05/countering-heterosexist-arguments.html#06 https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/06/22/science-journal-retracts-paper-that-said-gay-conversion-therapy-works/ https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-conversion-therapy-associated-severe-psychological-distress-n1052416 https://psychcentral.com/news/2018/11/11/conversion-therapy-for-lgbt-kids-linked-to-higher-risks-of-depression-suicide/140246.html http://www.lehmiller.com/blog/2014/3/31/are-religiously-motivated-people-able-to-change-their-sexual-orientation
"When were homosexuals taken from their homeland, shipped across a sea, and sold into slavery? When were homosexuals forbidden to learn how to read or forbidden to vote? When were members of the glbt community denied the right to own property or relegated to the back of the bus? When were gays systematically and legally denied service in hotels and restaurants? When where there water fountains with signs reading “Straight people only?” Isn’t equating race with behavior the epitome of racism?"
How about smearing gays that they are pedophiles and calling them rapists...or calling for their death? https://www.reddit.com/skeptic/comments/byhd2l/homophobes_dont_belive_in_sourcing_their_claims/ Just because they didn't have it quite as bad, doesn't mean they were discriminated against...badly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_scare
https://donotlink.it/ommWV
"The saddest thing about the gay life is that the young victim of same-sex, sexual molestation has been deceived into believing that they were receiving love when they were, in fact, being used for sex. From what I've observed, people that continue on in the glbt lifestyle after hearing the Truth, simply don't want to face the fact that what was done to them was NOT an act of love, but was a evil, perverted, sexual seduction.
This is why I don't hate gay men, but go out of my way to shine the light of truth on those who approach children concerning sexual matters without parental consent."
If you did care you would check your sources before smearing gays with this brush! http://homoresponse.blogspot.com/2011/05/countering-heterosexist-arguments.html#11 https://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html The info is there!
Oh and you are misreading your source: https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/
https://donotlink.it/Jyyek
"When a boy is born to a woman who is full of anger towards men, in many instances, the woman removes the boy's father from his life, and raises the boy in an environment where masculinity is constantly denigrated. This creates an environment from which effeminate homosexuals develop."
"Before I was married, if a woman I was dating copped an attitude when I opened a door for her, or if she forbade her son from playing with toy guns, I quietly faded from that woman's life. Having worked with arch-feminists for eight years, I developed effective tactics to deal with feminist contempt."
"What it says is that my worry that Ms. Lyons might be expressing her own discomfort with masculinity and projecting it onto her son—and mine, and yours—seems to have been justified."
Or...the child legitimately likes it and not because it is "forced" onto him... https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e20182162 https://www.karger.com/Article/Fulltext/355235
This all falsly conflates gender expression with gender identity and sexual orientation. https://web.archive.org/web/20150926035309/https://catholictrans.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/debunking-myth-11-sex-and-gender-are-straightforward/
Finally raising a feminist son is good for mental health: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/upshot/how-to-raise-a-feminist-son.html
https://donotlink.it/V55ew
Googlelicious Great news today. Now this blog can now be found by Googleing "heteroseparatist." Hetero-haters beware.
What an ego...
I just discovered the word "sophistry" a few weeks ago. Sophistry is defined as; subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation. And, inspired by "AndresH" from YouThink.com, I've defined the word...
homosophistry: the subtle and deceptive reasoning or argumentation that justifies the GLBT lifestyle.
Oh? Let's see some heterosophistry from your comments...
There's a difference between race and gender. Comparing homosexuality to interracial marriage is wrong. God does not forbid interracial marriage. Numbers 12:1-8.
Wanna check that again? https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/2019/05/yes-interracial-marriage-is-un-biblical-but-not-un-christian/
Once again proving fundies don't read the bible...or do but ignore what they want.
https://donotlink.it/Jyy5V
Well...I have a new word today. Written exclusively on this blog at 1635hrs on Monday 13 July, 2009. It's...
homotalitarian: A government that forces the acceptance of homosexuality on it's citizens by force of law.
This word was inspired by "Pegasus," a 25-year-old female from Buenos Aires, South America that I (unfortunately) met on YouThink.com.
Unlike you, who thinks Christain morality should be enshrined...
https://donotlink.it/gllAn
A woman I greatly admire is back in the news. I wish I could afford to hire her for a tv commercial for my website since she is the epitome of a heteroseparatist. She's God-fearing, beautiful, simply disagrees with same-sex marriage, but doesn't hate the GLBT community! Who would've thought, 20 years ago, that a beauty queen would be punished for saying that marriage should be between one man and one woman?
It's sad how he fawns over a porn star who constantly lies and breaks contracts: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Prejean#Contract_termination https://www.huffpost.com/entry/carrie-prejean-sex-tape-s_0_n_355146?ref=entertainment https://www.thewrap.com/carrie-prejean-still-lying-10123/
https://donotlink.it/bll3k
The GLBT community can't STAND anyone who disagrees with their behavior. Here's a prime example of homofascism and homointolerance...
http://americansfortruth.com/news/fk-the-mormons-homosexual-group-stages-another-kiss-in-at-a-mormon-temple.html#more-2957
So? Gays don't have free speech or the right ot protest? Or is it the tone that annoys you? https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument They are just showing you that they aren't going to go away even though you want them too bigot.
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2019.08.21 10:21 sparts305 Lost and confused young man losing hope for the future.

So I've been in a mental stalemate for 4 years.
To some people this username may be a bit too familiar... Especially with recent events on here, I apologise in advance. Things have deteriorated to the point where I had no one to talk to but you guys for the millionth time, since all the communication lines are all but broken down with family and friends. I know I should take it to a subreddit that is more along the lines of mental health and advice but I wanted to get some advice from my fellow Torontonians I thought it would be great to listen to you guys since I've read some amazing responses to other people's threads concerning their own mental health problems. Well, here I go.
I am 23 years old currently living in Ontario Canada.previously lived in Florida, U.S born in Jamaica within the first 12 months of living out of the U.S realise how crappy the situation has gotten over there mass shootings, race war baiting, police brutality , economic shitfest galore Wants to believe in what's actually going on behind closed doors on the world stage discovered many conspiracy theories and government cover ups from MK-Ultra, Gulf of Tonkin, Op Northwoods, to 9/11 researched extensively on reasons and theories behind the race related problems in the world can't accept these theories of mass brainwashing and division among ethnic lines on a global scale without being an Anti-Semite. I wanted to know who's running the world stage... I got too caught up with the wrong crowd of people online. Instead of finishing grade 12, I procrastinated a lot... Surf the web on pseudo politics and current events. I have a thing for looking at alternative news. Right wing nonsensical pseudonym studs and satirical content online. I spent more time reading conspiracy theories than studying, got very depressed and self loathing, fighting with my siblings and parents over failing grades and poor sleeping habits because of my addiction to reading bullshit on the internet. So here I am.
I literally hanged out with a bunch of racists online and actually engaged them, they got inside my head, my well being slipped, poor attendance, poor grades, came only short of 3 credits. They made me think that skin colour determines your fate and how you will live your life finds articles and graphs on race comparisons via skull fragments and Intelligence Quotients and SAT national scores and crime and poverty stats finds out the truth about my own race refuses to accept the fact that he belongs to a worthless race tries to disassociate myself from my race in an attempt to be seen higher than my own people gets bombarded with questions by non-black people about himself and black people in general apologises and explains to non-black people every single time when one of my own commits a crime and is broadcast on national television academic marks plunge at the start of senior year due to "I'm a failure"mentality and hopelessness of my future thinks race mixing will only have horrible effects on the offspring ( confusion of ones race or cultural identity and psychological problems will persist into their life) along with lower than average IQ and being vulnerable to certain diseases. This made me realise can't be with a different woman other than my own occasionally contemplates suicide because no non-black woman would want to be with me out of fear of abuse, failure to provide for ones family, no high salary career, not being able to become successful in life Those are the articles graphs that made me assume that I was in fact inferior to other races ... every time i reach a boiling point I try to reach out to the people who say these things so I made a Q and A thread on one of their forums (I.E /pol/ stormfront, thirdwave, thirdposition, politically incorrect forums. Instead of trying to understand their mindset, I become indoctrinated in their ideology and which resulted in my warped view of society. I have huge anxiety over dating interracial because of those things said above. Due to my social awkwardness and not knowing how to speak to women in a flirtatious way without them getting freaked out by my futile attempts as being flirty let alone handle them, I've tried online dating websites but with a hit or miss mostly, apparently people can detect redflags just by looking at ones face or bio. I personally see my self as average or below average in looks For years I have tried to weight lift and eat well, though I have excelled well at weight lifting my diet has been very poor as of late so I have to deal with being "muscle fat". So pretty much I've failed in getting a partner so I had to pay for sexual favours, an occasional trip to the massage parlour or brothel to release stress is usually the case for me and to fend off the feeling of being lonely, for those who think its messed up, I can assure you I treat everyone person I encounter in the sex trade with the utmost respect and dignity, and I 100% advocate for a well regulated and safe environment for all involved in the sex trade industry! For more than 4 years I've been at a standstill and I don't know what I should do. I can't seem to reinforce my confidence or self esteem. I took a lot of things to heart I got a weak mindset from the day I was born. It's bad enough that I didn't finish my secondary diploma (due to mental health issues), and that I continue to disappoint my family and friends, But unfortunately, I recently got myself into a situation where I have to get my friends involved in a homicide investigation (long fucking story I'm not going to talk about it) and I fear getting in trouble with the law for not passing the needed info (by convincing my best friend to talk to the detective, but they don't want to get involved out of fear for their privacy and safety) or losing my 5+ year relationship with them if I try to bring it up to them which will most likely result in a big argument and us not talking to each other again. Each day this world is becoming more and more toxic, and each day it gives me another reason as to why I should no longer live on this toxic earth where people call you racial slurs, kill you for being something they don't like, get treated like crap even if you done no harm to anyone. I want off this shit show of a ride. It's all so tiresome. Back in 2018 I Thought I was doing the right thing by coming forward in hopes of testifying against a former friend in the disappearance and murder of a local woman back in 2017 but all I did was get myself involved in more unnecessary problems that I have no absolute control over. In this world filled with hate and despair how does one continue on? Every now and then I picture myself leaping from the Maj Mac/400 bridge to my inevitable fate, if I keep this up it may soon become reality.
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2019.08.02 20:23 Lexington10x Black Supremacy Copypasta

Europeans and Asians are subject to more recent evolution than Africans. Source: https://archive.fo/zX5p9
48% of African Americans have Herpes Simplex Virus. Source: https://archive.fo/Yf1Ks
Gonorrhea rates are 30 times higher in African Americans than in Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/Yf1Ks
Police hesitate longer to shoot Black suspects than White suspects. Source: https://archive.fo/UMzUr
Over 100 White women are raped or sexually assaulted by Black men every day in the United States. Source: https://archive.fo/ZiEwP
Blacks are overrepresented in serial killings, and this overrepresentation is increasing. Source: https://archive.fo/2maAy
Blacks are overrepresented among child abusers, and this isn’t due to biased reporting. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20140314...sumptions.html
39% of all cop killers are Black, although Blacks are only 12% of the population. Source: https://archive.fo/iCeyF
The average Black has an IQ score 1 standard deviation (15 IQ points) lower than the average White. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20070703...telligence.pdf
The Black-White IQ gap in America is equal to the gap in South Africa, even though SA is ruled by Blacks. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20110918.../RavensIII.pdf
The Black-White IQ gap exists even when both races are raised in identical environments. Source: https://archive.fo/lxtL5
93% of Black men who are murdered are killed by other Black men. Source: https://archive.fo/lxwbV
The Black-White IQ gap still exists and has not decreased in size. Source: https://archive.fo/Cd6m1
70% of Black children are born out of wedlock. Source: https://archive.fo/g85sz
Blacks commit 56% of all robberies, despite being less than 12% of the population. Source: https://archive.fo/l4kJJ
Blacks commit 50% of all murders, despite being less than 12% of the population. Source: https://archive.fo/l4kJJ
Despite making up less than 12% of the US population, Blacks commit 1 in every 3 rapes. Source: https://archive.fo/l4kJJ
Young Black men kill 14 times more often than young White men. Source: https://archive.fo/wMM1p
Africans have higher rates of a gene associated with violence. Source: https://archive.fo/9hWut
Black women are four times more likely to be overweight than White women. Source: https://archive.fo/tdngJ
Students of all races perform worse in schools with more Black students. Source: https://archive.fo/zP8E9
Blacks have an average brain size of 1267 cubic cm, compared to Whites at 1347 cm. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20061011...Intell2003.pdf
97% of White men refuse to date Black women. Source: https://archive.fo/tdngJ ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...ernet%20Daters
The percentage of Blacks in a city, not poverty, is the best predictor of crime. Source: https://archive.fo/tCHeH
In New York City, 1% of people arrested for shootings were White, while 74% were Black. Source: https://archive.fo/pfmEy
In New York City, 43% of people arrested for rape were Black. Source: https://archive.fo/pfmEy
In New York City, 61% of people arrested for robbery were Black. Source: https://archive.fo/pfmEy
Blacks have lower emotional intelligence than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3oZJ3 ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...&p=&redirect=1
In Canada, Blacks comprise 2% of the population but 6% of prisoners. Source: https://archive.fo/haFoY
Blacks are more likely than Whites to be narcissistic. Source: https://archive.fo/vt0LB ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...&p=&redirect=1
67% of people arrested for gun crime in London are Black, although Blacks are only 12% of the population. Source: https://archive.fo/d0Iv
Black men in London are only 12% of the population, but commit 32% of rape. Source: https://archive.fo/GTJEZ
1 in four South African men has admitted to rape. Source: https://archive.fo/h5rjP
Blacks are 90% more likely than Whites to be psychopathic. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20170131...-006X.76.5.893 ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...&p=&redirect=1
A Black person in Britain is twice as likely to be in jail as to be in university. Source: https://archive.fo/fU6QI
70% of Ethiopian women report having been physically or sexually abused. Source: https://archive.fo/oeHnw
Blacks are more prone to psychopathy and less capable of empathy than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...&p=&redirect=1
Blacks commit more violent crime against Whites than against other Blacks. Source: https://archive.fo/ihotm
Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against Whites than vice versa. Source: https://archive.fo/ihotm
Blacks are 136 times more likely to commit a violent crime against Whites than vice versa. Source: https://archive.fo/ihotm
Areas with more Black people have higher rates of crime. Source: Handbook of Crime Correlates by Lee Ellis et al. http://booksdescr.org/item/index.php...14A230E6781F99
Blacks assign less value to marriage than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...%20personality
Blacks are significantly less likely than Whites to have harmonious or satisfying marriages. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are more likely to default on loans than other races. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are 80% more likely than Whites to neglect their children. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are more likely to have ADHD than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks have less moral understanding that Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are more reckless than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are twice as likely to subject their children to severe violence than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Black men are four times more likely to beat their wives than White men. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Black women are more than twice as likely as White women to abuse their husbands. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Black youth are two and a half times as likely as White youth to have raped someone. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
In London, Blacks are six times more likely than Whites to be imprisoned. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are more likely to kill their spouses than other races. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are 50% more likely to cheat on their spouses than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks have less perseverance than other races. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Black college students have poorer grades than students of other races with the same IQ. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks do less homework than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Even after adjusting for SAT scores, Blacks have worse college grades than Whites. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Blacks are four times as likely as Whites to murder their infants. Source: https://archive.fo/3aVLN
Despite $1 trillion in aid from the West, per capita GDP in Africa has declined since 1960. Source: https://archive.fo/qCDL6
Only 12% of Black eighth grade males are proficient in math. Source: https://archive.fo/C6hMy
Academically, the average poor White male does as well as Blacks who aren’t in poverty. Source: https://archive.fo/C6hMy
Only 12% of Black fourth grade males are proficient in reading. Source: https://archive.fo/C6hMy
Blacks are more likely than other races to be gay or bisexual. Source: https://archive.fo/txLli
In just two years, more blacks were killed by other blacks than died from 80 years of lynching. Source: https://archive.fo/yiQMC
Blacks are just 13% of the American population but have committed half of all murders for the last 30 years. Source: https://archive.fo/yiQMC
Blacks are 60-80% more likely than Whites to lie about how much crime they commit. Source: https://archive.fo/w7n1y ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...&p=&redirect=1
Blacks are twice as likely to be schizophrenic than Whites, even after adjusting for income. Source: https://archive.fo/xcYcb
Black men are more likely to lie about drug use than White men. Source: https://archive.fo/5l4Qv ; http://booksdescr.org/scimag/index.p...&p=&redirect=1
Blacks are six times more likely to lie about their cocaine usage than White people. Source: https://archive.fo/PTT8j
In Britain, Black people are six times more likely than Whites to be schizophrenic. Source: https://archive.fo/0DfjB
90% of interracial violence between blacks and Whites is committed by Blacks. Source: https://archive.fo/ZcXVv
Black men are over a hundred times more likely to rape a White woman than vice versa. Source: https://archive.fo/ZcXVv
Most South Africans believe that life was better under apartheid. Source: https://archive.fo/9RQxb
Life expectancy in South Africa has decreased since apartheid ended. Source: https://archive.fo/9RQxb
The South African murder rate is the 10th highest in the world. White farmers are killed 4x more often than the general population. Source https://archive.fo/9RQxb
Blacks in South Africa are not indigenous inhabitants, but rather arrived just before White explorers. Source: https://archive.fo/9RQxb
In South Africa, a child is raped every three minutes (175,000 children/year). Source: https://archive.fo/dFWc
In South Africa, rape is seen as “a legitimate activity” and committed out of boredom. Source: https://archive.fo/41ye6 In South Africa, 7% of men have participated in gang rape. Source: https://archive.fo/41ye6
In South Africa, 78% of men have committed violence against women. Source: https://archive.fo/41ye6
“Out of the 1500 [chess] grandmasters in the world, only three or four are black.” Source: https://archive.fo/wQ2kz
Only 54% of Black men between 25-34 have high school degrees, are employed, and are not currently incarcerated. Source: https://archive.fo/fhdqi
Unlike all other world cultures, sub-Saharan Africans had no mythologies regarding the stars or night sky. Source: https://archive.fo/LEdXR
Sub-Saharan Africans are the only group of people without detailed mythology or creation stories. Source: The Origins of the World's Mythologies by E.J. Michael Witzel ; http://booksdescr.org/item/index.php...A49FB38858AE0D
Half of Black women have herpes. 80% who have it don’t know it. Source: https://archive.fo/0MshL
1200 people, mostly blacks, die over sneakers every year. Source: https://video.gq.com/watch/sneakerhe...kers-each-year
35% to 50% of sub-Saharan Africans are inbred. Source: https://archive.fo/zoANF
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2019.07.23 02:54 CoolCreeper39 List of all known banned subreddits sorted alphabetically and by reason

Ban/Quarintine Evasion:
Unmoderated:
Violent content:
Harassment:
Prohibited goods or services:
Proliferation of violent content:
Minor sexualization:
Spam:
Subreddits banned due to the rule change:
Copyright infringement:
Involuntary pornography:
Glorifying violence:
Inciting harassment:
Doxxing:
Encouraging violence:
Marketplace:
Inciting violence:
Inciting harm:
Safety reasons:
Violence:
Encouraging harm:
Impersonating:
Interfering with Reddit:
Vote manipulation:
Animal abuse:
Bullying:
Criminal activity:
Glorifying sexual violence:
Other:
No reason given:
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2019.05.24 22:33 Yllohnna Barbara Ann Hilton: Runaway or Foul Play?

http://charleyproject.org/case/barbara-ann-hilton
Barbara Ann Hilton lived in the small, rural village of Montrose, Illinois. In the 1970’s, interracial dating was still very controversial, especially in a farming community like Montrose. But, Barbara had a bit of a wild streak and didn’t let anybody’s opinion stop her from doing what she wanted. In fact, Barbara had a baby daughter that was bi-racial.
On the night of August 4, 1972, Barbara Ann told her parents she was attending a movie with friends and left her daughter with them around 7 pm. Barbara’s boyfriend, however, told police that she had come to his house around 8 pm and stayed until 1 am the following morning. There are conflicting reports about Barbara’s actions on the night of her disappearance. Some reports state that she left her boyfriend’s home at 10 pm (not 1 am) and went to a local tavern where she was approached by two men. In any case, she was never seen again. The green Nova she was driving was found along Illinois 121 a few miles from Montrose. The car was not disabled, but had been moved a few hundred feet from its original position around midnight on August 4. There were flies buzzing around the trunk, but no sign of Barbara or the car keys. A light rain that night washed away all possible fingerprints on the outside of the car and no other evidence was found.
At the time of her disappearance, Barbara was working at St. Anthony’s Hospital in Effingham, IL and attending nursing school at Lake Land College in Mattoon, IL. While she was a reliable employee, she wasn’t a very good student. Her grades were poor and she had plans to transfer to Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville in the fall. Some of her friends report that Barbara usually carried a knife for protection but it is unknown whether she’d felt threatened or whether it was just a precaution.
There have been many rumors about Barbara’s disappearance as will happen in any small town. One story is that she ran away because of the turmoil in her family over her interracial dating. Some believe that she left in order to live a secret life. There was an unconfirmed sighting of her in Montrose a week after her disappearance and since a body has never been located, it is possible that she voluntarily went missing. Others believe she was murdered and dumped in an old well that may have since been filled in. This theory may be supported by the presence of flies swarming the trunk of the car, but again, there’s no body or other evidence to prove she’s even dead.
It’s been almost 47 years since Barbara’s disappearance. If she’s still alive she’d be almost 70 years old. Her parents have both passed away without answers, but she does still have family members who deserve to know what happened to her. Any information on Barbara’s whereabouts may be directed to Effingham, IL State’s Attorney’s Office to Investigator Ron Kilman Phone: (217)342-8447 Email: [email protected] Case #: 08-2628
Sources
Charley Project
Find the Missing
Web Sleuths
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2019.03.22 01:27 srichardbellrock Put Paid to the Lie: Equal Treatment of LDS LGB's

Also published here: https://unexaminedfaith.blogspot.com/2019/03/put-paid-to-lie-equal-treatment-of-lds.html
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(Rather than accept the terminology widely accepted by gay persons themselves, the LDS Church typically uses its own term to describe LGB persons, “Same Sex Attracted,” or (SSA). In this post I will generally eschew the label placed upon our LGB brothers and sisters by the Church, and simply use the more common “LGB,” or “gay.”)
Recently, in the midst of a conversation about gay relatives, a co-worker casually mentioned that the Church treats its “same sex attracted” members in exactly the same way it treats its heterosexual members. It is a sentiment that we have heard from LDS leaders and publications, from friends and family, and on social media. The Church, it is said, only holds its SSA members to the same standards as it does its hetero members[i]—all are expected to be equally obedient to the law of chastity. This, according to many a sincere believer, is equal treatment for LGB and hetero members.
Let’s put paid to that lie right now.
When I attended the temple prior to doing the mission, I “covenanted” to obey the law of chastity. What I agreed to was to not “have sexual intercourse[ii] except with [my] wife to whom [I was] legally and lawfully wedded.”[iii] So to live the Law of Chastity, sex had to be restricted to within the confines of legal marriage.
If same sex marriage does not exist, then in a sense it is true to say that LGB and hetero members are equally expected to not have sex outside of marriage.
With the legalization of same sex marriage, holding LGB members to the same standard would imply, at minimum, accepting that same sex couples having sexual relations with their partners with whom they are “legally and lawfully wedded” are not violating the law of chastity.
Having historically been on the receiving end of persecution for practicing a form of marriage that was both not legally recognized and not accepted by society at large, one might be forgiven for tenaciously hoping (though not expecting) that the Church would be empathetic to marginalized group likewise being discriminated against for hoping to practice a form of marriage not legally recognized and not accepted by society at large.
However, instead of accepting that married LGB members are not violating the law of chastity, (at least) two salient things occurred that diminish the case for the Church’s earnestness in its ostensible equal treatment of hetero and LGB members.
First, at the behest of the First Presidency[iv], the Church led the fight to try to ensure that same sex marriage not be legalized. In the fight to “protect marriage” in California, 80-90% of canvassers and some 50% of money raised came from the LDS.[v]
Second, just months after the Supreme Court in the US legalized gay marriage, the Church quietly revised its Handbook of Instructions to explicate that same sex marriage is a form of apostasy requiring discipline, and made it official policy to exclude the children of same sex married parents from full participation in the Church, denying these children what it believes to be necessary saving ordinances, until the age of 18 when they could renounce their parents relationship.[vi]
In fact, The Church has gone so far as to call for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as only between opposite sex partners.[vii]
If LGB members were being held to the same standards as hetero members, with the legalization of same sex marriage, married LGB couples would not be violating the Law of Chastity. The reaction of the Church to the gay marriage issue indicates that the Church does not even want the possibility of having to hold its LGB members to an equal standard. The fact that the Church reacted the way it did, to try to block marriage equality and redefine marriage equality as apostasy is one way that the Church broadcasts its disingenuousness when it asserts that LGB members are held to the “same standard.”
The above raises an obvious question as to why the Church would be so adamant in its opposition to the legal acceptance of same sex marriage.
The answer is found in an official communication from the Church, “The Divine Institution of Marriage,” issued in response to the fight for marriage equality in California.
The communication starts by quoting the Church’s Proclamation on the Family: “Marriage is sacred and was ordained of God from before the foundation of the world.”
A majority of the piece is focused on the procreative role marriage:
"From the beginning, the sacred nature of marriage was closely linked to the power of procreation. After creating Adam and Eve, God commanded them to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth…” Only a man and a woman together have the natural biological capacity to conceive children. This power of procreation—to create life and bring God’s spirit children into the world—is divinely given. Misuse of this power undermines the institution of the family.
…in almost every culture marriage has been protected and endorsed by governments primarily to preserve and foster the institution most central to rearing children and teaching them the moral values that undergird civilization.
The special status granted marriage is nevertheless closely linked to the inherent powers and responsibilities of procreation and to the innate differences between the genders. By contrast, same-sex marriage is an institution no longer linked to gender—to the biological realities and complementary natures of male and female. Its effect is to decouple marriage from its central role in creating life.
…same-sex marriage…is a far-reaching redefinition of the very nature of marriage itself. It marks a fundamental change in the institution of marriage in ways that are contrary to God’s purposes for His children and detrimental to the long-term interests of society."
From the above text it ought to be self-evident that the Church’s fight was primarily concerned with their own private religious morality—“Divine Institution,” “sacred nature,” “ordained of God,” “Adam and Eve,” “God commanded,” “create life,” “God’s spirit children,” “divinely given,” “God’s purposes. The Church’s choice of language indicates that it is seeking to impose its own private supernaturally derived morality into legislation that would constrain the rights and freedoms of those who do not share its religious values.
But there is, as you read above, a second line of reasoning contained in the article. The Church is asserting that marriage equality will be “detrimental to the long-term interests of society.”
I suppose that a typical reaction to such an assertion (well, mine anyway), would be to suggest that the fact that, at least on the face of it, making the category of marriage and family a little more inclusive ought not negate the value of those already included in the category, that what happens privately in the home of my neighbor has no effect on my family. A carefully stage managed “interview” with Elders Lance B. Wickman and Dallin H. Oaks, intended to put forth the Church’s position on same sex marriage, states that the opposite is true:[viii] “What happens in somebody’s house down the street does in very deed have an effect on what happens in my house…”
So what is this detriment of which the article speaks?
On one hand I suppose that there is an alleged spiritual harm for those who are engaging in “sinful” behaviors. However, “sin,” per se, is not the province of governments, and so private religious moralities should not be grounds for legislation. There is scriptural authority for having the Church avoid interference in political matters found in D&C 134: 9.
A second harm is never explicitly stated but is implied by asserting that marriage has (i) “almost” always been about procreation, and that (ii) it is within the family that “the moral values that undergird civilization” are propagated.
Let’s briefly deal with (ii) first. It may be entirely true that the moral values that undergird society are transmitted through the family unit. For the sake of argument, let’s accept that at face value. But even if 100% true, there is a huge lacuna here. The link between the premiss that “families transmit essential values” and the conclusion that “therefore there should be no legal recognition of same sex marriages” is left for the reader to fill in. It is difficult to think how one could move from that premiss to that conclusion, unless, of course, one presumes that same sex parents are somehow less capable or willing to teach the values in question, or that the values that undergird society include the rejection of the legitimacy of same sex relationships. I think it is clear why the essay wants the reader to fill in this unstated (homophobic) assumption for themselves rather than state it explicitly.
The claim that (i) marriage has always been about procreation…
When confronted with the illegal plural “marriages” of Joseph Smith, including “marriages” to women who were already married to other living men[ix], and to girls[x] that were below the average age of puberty for that time, a favored response from apologists for the Church is to suggest that at least some of those “marriages” were not sexual, and were for the purposes of creating “loose dynastic bonds.”[xi] Putting aside for the moment that non-sexual plural marriages violate the very purpose of plural marriage as stated in D&C 132—to raise up righteous seed, I find it slightly hypocritical to hold that same sex marriages are immoral because they are not about procreation, while at the same time defending Joseph Smith’s “marriages” as moral by holding that they were not about procreation.
The Utah State legislature, 90% of whom are LDS,[xii] passed a law in 1996 allowing first cousins to marry if either they are over 65, or if they are over 55 provided that “either party is unable to reproduce.”[xiii] The Utah Legislature is not governed by the LDS Church (*stifled snicker*), but the fact that influential Mormons would pass a law in Utah that allows a marriage only on the condition that it is not about procreation, and that the LDS Church did not fight it, at least suggests that the Church’s justification for opposing same sex marriage on the grounds that it is not about procreation is not altogether genuine.
Furthermore, if it not being about procreation really is a moral objection to same sex marriage because it “decouple[s] marriage from its central role in creating life,” then surely the Church ought to be opposed to marriage for people who are infertile, or who indicate that they intend to remain childless, or for seniors who, like President and Sister Nelson, are past their childbearing years at the time of marriage. The fact that the Church does not fight such marriages casts some doubt on the assertion that they oppose same sex marriage on the grounds that it is not about procreation.
What if the Church is correct in their description of same sex marriage, that it decouples marriage from its central procreative role? That, in and of itself does nothing to detract from the value of those couples who have chosen to have children. Exactly nothing.
The Church is advertising its biases by claiming that its opposition to same sex marriage is rooted in it not being about procreation while at the same supporting other types of marriage that no more about procreation than same sex couples.
A faithful member, when reading the above, might counter with the notion that those who marry late in life, or those who are infertile, will have perfected bodies in the resurrection, and thus be able procreate then. That’s as may be, but it is a private religious point of view, and churches ought not try to make those who do not share their privately held religious views conform to those views through legislation.
The essay goes on to state that “[a]nother purpose [for publishing the article] is to reaffirm that the Church has a single, undeviating standard of sexual morality: intimate relations are acceptable to God only between a husband and a wife who are united in the bonds of matrimony.” The Church went out of its way to try to deny marriage equality to our LGB brothers and sisters because it violated that “single, undeviating standard of morality.” If this is the real reason for the Church’s apoplectic response to marriage equality, then where is the equivalent fight to make pre-marital sex illegal? If there is, as they say, “a single, undeviating standard of morality,” then pre-marital sex is a moral and legal equivalent of same sex marriage. That conspicuous lack of a corresponding legal battle lays bare the lie that the Church only wants to hold its hetero and LGB members to the same standard of sexual morality.
The essay mentions one more potential harm: “As governments have legalized same-sex marriage as a civil right, they have also enforced a wide variety of other policies to ensure there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. These policies have placed serious burdens on individual conscience and on religious organizations.” It then lists off ways in which marriage equality requires people or organizations of faith to treat LGB’s that are contrary to said faith. If I may be so bold as to restate that in more common parlance, the essay is saying that being denied the right to discriminate against gays is itself a form of religious discrimination. Dallin H. Oaks has said so on other occasions.[xiv] This principle is clearly illustrated in the LDS Church endorsed “Utah compromise” law[xv] that says that it is wrong to discriminate against LGB’s unless doing so for religious reasons.
I find myself quite unsympathetic to this final alleged harm. I find it about as harmful to religious freedom as being forced to recognize the validity of interracial marriage. Sorry. No sympathy.
Finally, I’d like to suggest that even if the Church is holding LGB and hetero members to the same Law of Chastity, the lived experience of members means that the standard being upheld is very different. “Abstinence” is the correct term for what is required of hetero members, but it doesn’t quite capture what is required of the faithful LGB member. The faithful LGB members is required to commit to lifelong “celibacy,” with no chance of ever being able to fully express their sexuality. To illustrate consider a few elements of my heterosexual experience:
When I was 12, I would have a crush on the cute girl in social studies class. In so doing, did I violate God's law? Was I engaging in "sexual" behavior?
When I was 13 I would daydream about cute girls, wonder what sex was going to be like. Was that engaging in sexual behavior? Was that violating God's law?
When I was 14 I would go to church dances. I would ask the girls to dance with me. And I would be thrilled at the prospect of the slow dances. It was fun to “bear-hug,” and it was funny if a chaperone caught us, and insisted that we stayed “Book of Mormon width apart.” Was I violating the Law of Chastity? Sinning?
At 16 I would go on the occasional date. I would love to enjoy the company of a young lady my age. I thrilled at the prospect of holding her hand. And sneaking a cheeky kiss at the end of the night! Again, was it a violation of God's law? Was I engaging in sexual behavior? If my bishop found out, would he judge me harshly?
At 18 I had a steady girlfriend. She would sometimes accompany to my ward, sometimes I’d go to hers. At church we would hold hands. Before separating for Priesthood and Relief Society, I’d give her a quick kiss. Did anybody look at us with condemnation for unnatural or sinful behaviors?
I intended to marry that girlfriend, post mission, and truth be told, I wanted to shag her senseless. The debate about whether I should give in to temptation and then repent before the mission, or to muzzle that drive and abstain until marriage was a constant internal dialogue. I waited, by the way. In my bursting desire, had I violated any of God’s commands? Was there any doubt that I would be found “worthy” to serve a mission?
After doing a two-year mission for the Church, I was at a stake conference, I saw my future bride for the first time across a crowded room, and my heart skipped a beat. The moment I met her I thought to myself "I could spend the rest of my life with this woman!" While we dated I frequently thought of how wonderful it would be to make love to that beautiful woman. We didn't, we waited. But oh my heck! We thought about it and talked about it! (And we made our marriage work for a couple of decades). Did I need to repent? Was I violating God's law? Was I engaging in sexual behavior?
To all of the above questions, I hope the answer is an unambiguous, clear and resounding "NO!"
It was OK for me to hold hands with a girl at a church dance; how OK will it be for two boys or two girls to hold hands at a church dance? Everything I described above is perfectly acceptable for a hetero member, but denied to our LGB brothers and sisters. If I had not had those experiences growing up, my life would be the poorer. Not just a little bit. My life would be considerably emptier.
If the church is telling its LGB members that it forbids them from engaging in those same behaviors that were a necessary part of the formation of my personal identity, then I take with a grain of salt the claim that it holds gay members to the same standard. The lived experiences of hetero members practicing abstinence and LGB members practicing celibacy are worlds apart.
My heart aches for my gay brothers and sisters who are being denied those wonderful growing learning experiences.
[i] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/interview-oaks-wickman-same-gender-attraction
Lattin, Don (April 13, 1997), "Musings of the Main Mormon: Gordon B. Hinckley, "president, prophet, seer and revelator: of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, sits at the top of one of the world's fastest-growing religions", San Francisco Chronicle, archived from the original on May 17, 2012
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/the-divine-institution-of-marriage

[ii] This was changed in 1990 to “sexual relations

[iii] A peripheral note—the Church did not historically hold faithful members to this standard as not a single plural marriage as practiced by the LDS Church was ever in a jurisdiction where it was legal. Every instance of plural marriage from the time of Joseph Smith until the time it was discontinued was a violation of the Law of Chastity, and legally was adultery.

[iv] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/california-and-same-sex-marriage

[v] https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15marriage.html

[vi] Church Handbook of Instructions. Salt Lake City, Utah: LDS Church. 1998.
Daniel Woodruff, "LDS church to exclude children of same-sex couples from membership", kutv.com, 6 November 2015.
Cimaron Neugebauer, "LDS Church adds same-sex marriage to definition of apostasy", kutv.com, November 6, 2015.
Walch, Tad (November 6, 2015). "Elder Christofferson explains updated LDS Church policies on same-sex marriage and children". Deseret News. Retrieved April 8, 2016.
Tad Walch (November 13, 2015). "LDS Church provides additional information on handbook policies about same-sex couples and their children". Deseret News. Retrieved April 13, 2016.

[vii] https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/2006/07/news-of-the-church/church-supports-call-for-constitutional-amendment?lang=eng
https://www.religionnewsblog.com/14428/lds-church-supports-constitutional-amendment-for-marriage

[viii] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/interview-oaks-wickman-same-gender-attraction

[ix] https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Polyandry

[x] https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Marriages_to_young_women

[xi]https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Polyandry/Why_would_Joseph_Smith_be_sealed_to_other_men%27s_wives
https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/katich-a-tale-of-two-marriage-systems.pdf

[xii] https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617

[xiii] https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title30/Chapter1/30-1-S1.html

[xiv] https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/oaks-religious-freedom

[xv][xv] https://thinkprogress.org/utah-bill-would-ban-lgbt-discrimination-with-some-big-exceptions-767990f9a9fc/
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